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Raising a Dog & Mastering Calm Assertive Energy | Cesar Millan
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Raising a Dog & Mastering Calm Assertive Energy | Cesar Millan

Andrew Huberman
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TL;DR

The four things you'd lose by not watching

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TL;DR

The four things you'd lose by not watching

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Cesar Millan’s core framework is exercise first, discipline second, affection last—reversing that order is the root of most dog behavioral problems.

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The most important daily tool is a 30–60+ minute structured walk where the dog follows beside or behind you; add a weighted backpack to drain mental energy.

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Upon any greeting (coming home, meeting a dog), practice ‘no touch, no talk, no eye contact’ until the dog achieves calm surrender—this rewires the dog’s expectation and builds trust.

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To cultivate the calm‑assertive energy dogs need, Cesar recommends deliberate cold exposure (cold plunge) as a tangible way to experience ‘mind‑empty’ calm surrender, then carry that energy into all interactions.

Protocols

Concrete recipes — what, when, how much, and why

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No Touch, No Talk, No Eye Contact Greeting

WhatWhen you reunite with your dog (coming home, meeting a new dog), ignore them completely—no looking, no speaking, no touching—until the dog enters a calm, surrendered state.
WhenEvery time you re‑enter the home or first meet a dog, and for the first few minutes until the dog relaxes.
DoseUntil the dog shows calm body language (sitting, lying down, relaxed), typically 2–10 minutes. Practice for at least 3 weeks to build the habit.
For whomAll dog owners, especially those with anxious or over‑excited dogs. Also recommended for meeting unfamiliar dogs.
WhyGreeting with excitement reinforces anxious‑excited energy and makes the dog associate you with arousal. By withholding attention, you become a source of safety and peace, and the dog learns that calmness gets reward.
CaveatsCan feel unnatural or cruel to humans who equate affection with love; requires self‑discipline. Not to be used punitively—ignore without anger.

Cesar explains that dogs are born with their nose open, eyes open at 15 days, ears at 21 days; therefore the proper greeting order is nose, eyes, ears—not the human pattern of ears‑eyes‑nose (talking/looking/touching first). When humans greet with high‑pitched voices, direct eye contact, and immediate touch, they create a dog that greets all humans with excitement, jumping, and sometimes anxiety. The dog may be releasing pent‑up energy from being alone, and the human misinterprets that as happy affection. By practicing no touch, no talk, no eye contact, you allow the dog to complete its instinctual assessment and conclude that you are safe and peaceful. Cesar insists that affection is not withheld forever—only until the dog offers calmness, at which point you give calm affection as a reward for the state you want to nurture.

Mechanism

In a dog’s natural ritual, greetings are done nose‑eyes‑ears in calm respect, without excitement. The pup first learns to follow, not to jump. By removing stimuli (visual, vocal, tactile), you prevent triggering the dog’s excitement circuits and allow the parasympathetic ‘rest and digest’ system to engage. Once the dog reaches calm surrender, the brain is open and receptive to direction.

Personal experience

Huberman describes how difficult this was with his first dog Costello and now with Strummer. He admits the temptation to cuddle immediately is strong, but he saw that after implementing it, Costello would be calm when he came home, never jumping. He recognized that breaking down his own notion of ‘cuteness’ was key: ‘He doesn’t understand cute.’ He also notes that his girlfriend sometimes caves to love, and he has to remind her that giving affection at the wrong time can damage the pack order.

No touch, no talk, no eye contact. … Every time you reunite you have to remind your dog that you are source of safety and peace.

Also said
“I don’t want to ignore my dog and I don’t want to tell my dog that I don’t love him … but every time you leave an animal behind walls, the animal is going to go excited or anxious. So not always what you’re greeting is a happy dog. Most of the time, what you’re greeting is an excited anxious dog that is confused.”— Addresses the guilt owners feel and explains why the excited greeting is often anxiety, not pure happiness.

The Structured Walk (Empty the Tank)

WhatWalk your dog with the dog next to or behind you, not pulling ahead, in a calm following state. Use a backpack once the dog is old enough to add mental challenge.
WhenEvery day, ideally first thing in the morning before feeding or affection.
DoseMinimum 30 minutes, ideally 1–2 hours, depending on breed energy. For high‑energy dogs, longer. Start with an empty backpack for psychological adjustment, then gradually add up to ~5 lbs or about 10‑15% of body weight.
For whomAll dogs, regardless of breed or age, customized to energy level and physical ability. Puppies can follow for shorter durations after 8 weeks.
WhyWalking is the dog’s natural follower‑state activity; it drains physical energy and provides mental engagement through scents and navigation. A tired dog doesn’t have the energy to misbehave.
CaveatsDon’t allow the dog to pull on a flexi‑leash, and don’t walk while distracted by phone—the dog senses disconnected energy. Not a substitute for free play and exploration, but the priority activity.

Cesar emphasizes that the walk is not just exercise—it is the foundation of the relationship. He contrasts the backyard ‘zoo’ scenario where a dog runs in circles with the purposeful migration of a pack. He points out that in third‑world countries, dogs walk with humans as a matter of survival, and off‑leash walking is the norm. He also notes that homeless people walk their dogs all day, which is why those dogs are so well‑behaved. The backpack trick adds mental drain: first, the dog must psychologically accept wearing something unfamiliar; then the weight adds physical demand. Cesar says, ‘Every time you add something, you challenge the mind. And the goal is simply for the mind to surrender.’ He warns that a tired dog won’t give you problems, and most behavioral issues stem from undrained energy.

Mechanism

The walk taps into the dog’s ancestral migration instinct. Following the pack leader is the first activity a pup learns; it keeps the dog’s mind in a calm, focused state. Physical exertion depletes glycogen and releases endorphins, while the structured pace engages the prefrontal inhibition pathways. Adding a backpack increases proprioceptive demand and forces the mind to surrender to the challenge, leading to deeper mental fatigue. Cesar’s mantra ‘empty the tank’ ensures the dog’s residual arousal is low, eliminating the root of destructive behavior, barking, and anxiety.

Personal experience

Huberman describes walking Costello with the dog at his side or behind, never in front. He followed Cesar’s advice to walk first thing in the morning, even if the dog (Strummer, a bulldog mix) is reluctant. He says the day always starts with a walk, then discipline training, then food, then affection. Huberman found that two one‑hour walks per day for a puppy worked well, despite some people telling him it was too much.

Empty the tank. You know cuz a tired dog is never going to give you problems ever. Ever.

Also said
“The walk is the most important activity in my eyes. … Look at the homeless people with their dogs. Why? They can walk a dog off leash.”— Grounds the protocol in observable real‑world results outside of formal training.
“In the beginning you can just put a backpack cuz they’re psychologically, you know, they don’t want to wear anything. … psychologically that drains them.”— Explains the backpack not just as physical weight but as a mental challenge.

Exercise, Discipline, Affection — Body, Mind, Heart Order

WhatStructure your dog’s day in this sequence: physical exercise first, then discipline (rules, boundaries, impulse control), and only then affection.
WhenDaily, every interaction. Start the day with a walk, then practice training/commands, feed after the dog is calm, and give affection as a reward for good behavior.
DoseContinual; the order should become habitual. Affection should be given in calm moments, not when the dog is excited or demanding it.
For whomEvery dog owner, especially those whose dogs show hyperactivity, separation anxiety, or resource guarding.
WhyDogs are pack animals with an instinctual need for leadership. Exercise fulfills the body, discipline structures the mind, and affection nourishes the heart—but in the wrong order, affection creates an entitled, anxious dog.
Caveats‘Discipline’ means rules and boundaries, not physical punishment. Many people misinterpret the word as punishment and resist it. Affection is essential but must be earned; otherwise, you reinforce unstable states.

Cesar is adamant that most behavioral problems arise because people start with affection (cuddles, baby talk) and neglect exercise and discipline. He says 80% of his clients are women, and he often sees a dynamic where the wife pours all her affection onto the dog, putting the dog in the front position, while she enforces rules on her husband. The dog, lacking leadership, becomes anxious or aggressive. Cesar’s formula is universal: ‘Exercise, discipline, affection. Body, mind, heart.’ He points to the example of horses: in the horse world, safety and leadership are paramount; nobody approaches a horse with squealing affection. The dog should be treated with the same respect. He ties this to the spiritual hierarchy he learned growing up: God first, earth second, work third, then family/love—love is the celebratory energy that comes after the foundation is secure.

Mechanism

From a neurobiological perspective, this sequences aligns neurotransmitter systems. Exercise raises dopamine and endorphins, settling the dog so it can learn; discipline (waiting for food, impulse control) activates prefrontal inhibition over limbic impulses, strengthening top‑down control; affection then reinforces the relaxed, bonded state via oxytocin. Cesar frames it spiritually: body (instinct), mind (intellect), heart (love).

Personal experience

Huberman shares that he strictly followed this with Costello and now Strummer. He admits it’s hard because he’d love to cuddle his puppy more often, but he sees the results: a dog that can go anywhere, be calm around kids, and handle any environment. He made a rule ‘no skin in dog’s mouth’ and enforced impulse control from day one.

Exercise, discipline, and then affection. … Most dog people want to do affection, affection, affection. And when it should be exercise, discipline, affection—body, mind, heart.

Also said
“Discipline is not punishment. … In the animal world when they hear the word discipline on the dog they put it as punishment. No, you’re just making sure the dog follows the rules by limitations.”— Clarifies a common misunderstanding that prevents owners from providing structure.

Wait for Calm Surrender Before Affection (All Interactions)

WhatAny time you want to pet, cuddle, or play with your dog, first wait until the dog is in a calm, surrendered state—not excited, whining, or pawing at you.
WhenThroughout the day, especially after reuniting, before meals, before letting on furniture, before picking up, etc.
DoseWait seconds to minutes; the dog will eventually sit or lie down and relax. Then you can offer calm affection.
For whomAll dogs, but crucial for those with separation anxiety, excitability, or demand barking.
WhyReinforcing calmness creates a dog that defaults to relaxation for attention, instead of neurotic attention‑seeking behaviors.
CaveatsRequires consistency from all family members; if one person rewards excitement, the dog will continue testing. Not the same as ignoring the dog permanently—affection is a reward for the right state.

Cesar describes how people often love their dog’s excited reaction, thinking it means love, but they are actually nurturing an anxious or hyper state. He advises to ‘give affection to patience and calmness and open mind.’ He tells a story of a nurse with two Frenchies who couldn’t resist picking them up when they went crazy, despite acknowledging it made them anxious. He explains that a dog’s good state of mind is patience, calm surrender, or happy‑go‑lucky; fight, flight, or avoidance are bad states. You want to love your dog in the good state, so when they misbehave, they know they need to return to that calm place to regain connection. The practice of waiting for calm surrender is part of the larger rule: affection is a reward, not a right.

Mechanism

Operant conditioning: the dog learns that calm behavior is what triggers release of affection (positive reinforcement). Simultaneously, the absence of affection during excitement acts as negative punishment. Over time, the dog’s autonomic nervous system shifts from sympathetic (aroused) to parasympathetic (calm) more rapidly upon seeing the owner.

Personal experience

Huberman notes that his girlfriend sometimes ‘caves to love’ and gives affection when Strummer is in a playful, excited state, which makes the dog test her more on walks. Huberman reinforces waiting until the dog is calm before any petting or play to maintain consistency.

I’m not saying that to give affection. I’m just saying give affection to patience and calmness and open mind, right? Because when your dog misbehave, you want him to go back there. Go back to your good state of mind.

Also said
“You want to love silence, to love calmness, to love an open mind because people have learned to love an excited dog, anxious dog.”— Reframes what it means to love a dog—not loving the dog’s excitement but loving the dog’s peace.

Feed Only When the Dog is Calm (Impulse Control at Meals)

WhatPlace food down but do not allow the dog to eat until he makes eye contact or relaxes and you release him with a word like ‘okay.’
WhenAt every meal, starting from puppyhood.
DoseWait 5–30 seconds initially, extending as the dog learns. The exercise is not about duration but about the mind surrendering.
For whomAll dogs; especially important for puppies to establish structure early, and for dominant or food‑driven dogs.
WhyTeaches impulse control, respect for leadership, and that all resources come through you. It also prevents food aggression and grabby behavior.
CaveatsDon’t tease or create frustration; the wait should be calm, not anxious. If the dog breaks, calmly remove the food and start again. Not about deprivation—the meal happens, just with permission.

Cesar emphasizes that this discipline is not about punishment but about teaching the dog the rules of the house. He says, ‘if you tell a dog don’t touch it or don’t touch the human, don’t touch the food, don’t touch the cat, they go into a calm surrender state and they wait.’ Huberman adds that this is what neuroscientists call top‑down inhibition and that it generalizes to other impulse control situations. Cesar includes this as one of the three essential rituals (meeting, walking, feeding) that must be done in the correct state of mind. He notes that even a back‑of‑the‑pack dog can learn this, and it’s a foundation for a well‑behaved dog.

Mechanism

This protocol leverages prefrontal cortical inhibition. The dog’s primitive drive to eat is overridden by the learned rule that waiting yields the food. The act of suppressing a hardwired behavior strengthens the neural pathways responsible for executive control and self‑regulation. Cesar’s framing: the mind learns discipline; the dog goes into calm surrender and waits.

Personal experience

Huberman describes teaching his 8‑week‑old puppy Strummer this in about half a day. He could set food down, walk around the room, and the puppy would not touch it until given the release. He says he leaves the room briefly and comes back, the dog stays waiting. He considers this one of the most important lessons, as it builds trust and shows the dog that the human is the source of resources.

The first thing that I taught strummer uh was to suppress action … I could set food down … He’s not touching it until he looks at me.

Also said
“If you tell a dog don’t touch it or don’t touch the human, don’t touch the food, don’t touch the cat, they go into a calm surrender state and they wait.”— Generalizes the principle beyond just food to all impulse control.

Use a ‘Tssst’ or Firm Sound Sparingly as a Non‑Verbal Correction

WhatWhen the dog is stubborn or testing boundaries, issue a short, sharp sound (like ‘tssst’) to snap attention and re‑establish leadership, but only once or twice per walk max.
WhenDuring walks or training when the dog refuses to follow after clear energy signals.
DoseA single brief sound; lose potency if used more than 2–3 times per outing.
For whomOwners with strong‑willed breeds (like bulldogs) who occasionally test the leader. Not for constant nagging.
WhyIt serves as a non‑emotional interruption that says ‘no’ without escalating into a verbal argument or angry shouting.
CaveatsMust be delivered from a place of calm confidence, not frustration. If you’re angry, the dog will sense it and resist. Overuse makes the dog ignore it.

Huberman shared his own method with Costello and Strummer. He noticed that a small, sharp sound was more effective than a stern ‘no’ long‑term. He described that if he used it more than a few times, it lost its effect. Cesar agreed, emphasizing that words are less important than the energy behind them. The sound is a reminder for both human and dog to reset. Huberman noted that with his girlfriend, the dog tests her more, because she may be more in her emotions and less consistent with the energy. The sound thus acts as a tool to reinforce non‑verbal leadership.

Mechanism

The sound is a novel, mildly aversive stimulus that interrupts the dog’s current thought pattern. Combined with consistent body language, it acts as a cue to switch from resistance to following. Because it is used rarely, the dog’s orienting response remains fresh.

Personal experience

Huberman says: ‘I’ll sometimes give a little bit of a stern … I have one little command that I occasionally use. I keep its potency. But if Costello or in this case Strummer is really being stubborn just for stubborn sake, I’ll do [tssst] and that’s it. … if I do that more than three times on a walk, it loses its potency.’ He reflects that the sound is as much a reminder to himself to reset his energy as it is to the dog.

I have one little command that I occasionally use. … if I do that more than three times on a walk, it loses its potency.

Also said
“It’s just my way of saying like no. But I don’t say no. And if I were … I’m realizing as I say this that little [sound] is probably more of a reminder to myself. Yeah. As much as it is a reminder to him.”— Highlights the bidirectional nature of the correction—it recalibrates both human and dog.

Select a ‘Middle of the Pack’ Puppy for Families

WhatWhen choosing a puppy from a litter, observe the litter’s behavior; the one that is playful, approaches second, not first nor last, and is naturally happy‑go‑lucky is the ‘middle of the pack’—ideal for a family.
WhenAt the breeder’s, before bringing the puppy home.
For whomFamilies, first‑time dog owners, anyone who cannot provide an intense working role for a front‑of‑the‑pack dog.
WhyThis temperament is born a natural follower, making training easier and reducing the likelihood of dominance or fear‑based issues. It matches the average family’s ability to provide leadership.
CaveatsEven a middle‑pack dog needs the full protocol (exercise, discipline, affection) to stay balanced; innate disposition does not replace leadership. If you don’t assess the litter, you might inadvertently choose a front‑of‑the‑pack puppy and struggle.

Cesar explains that in a litter, there is only one front‑of‑the‑pack pup who is larger and pushes others; a few middle pack pups who are happy, playful, and follow the leader; and a back‑of‑the‑pack pup who is sensitive and waits. The middle pack dog is the ‘HR of the pack,’ naturally balanced. He describes how to assess: enter quietly with a novel object; the front dog boldly investigates, the middle plays, the back stays back. This is hardwired and guarantees good behavior if paired with proper human leadership. He admits that even he, with his vast experience, keeps only middle and back pack dogs because front‑of‑the‑pack dogs need a full‑time job like police work.

Mechanism

The front, middle, back positions are akin to innate behavioral phenotypes, likely driven by genetic differences in neurochemistry (e.g., dopamine, serotonin) and early social learning. A middle pack pup has moderate drive and resilience, making it more adaptable to a range of environments.

Personal experience

Huberman reflects that Costello was likely a front‑of‑the‑pack puppy—largest, butting others from food, stubborn—and that raising him was difficult. His new puppy Strummer is clearly middle or back, much sweeter and more playful. Huberman says knowing this now helps him tailor his approach, and he recommends listening to Cesar’s advice to avoid unnecessary struggle.

Middle of the pack should be the one for the families because they’re naturally happy golucky. … A family who has never raised a dog together. Yeah. Middle.

Treadmill as Emergency Energy Drain for Dogs

WhatTeach your dog to walk or trot on a human treadmill as an alternative physical outlet when outdoor walks are impossible (fires, extreme weather).
WhenOnly as a supplement, not a replacement for outdoor structured walks. Use when you can’t go outside safely or to add a mental challenge.
DoseUntil the dog shows signs of fatigue or calm, often 10–20 minutes. Use incline for added intensity if the dog is high‑energy.
For whomOwners of high‑energy dogs in apartments or areas prone to weather extremes. Not for all dogs—some may fear it.
WhyProvides a way to ‘empty the tank’ when external circumstances prevent walking. It also challenges the dog’s mind to get comfortable on an unfamiliar moving surface.
CaveatsMust be introduced gradually with positive reinforcement; never force. Not a substitute for the psychological benefits of an outdoor walk (scents, nature, migration). Cesar warns: ‘This is not for you to stay lazy, right? This is just for emergencies.’

Cesar got the idea from the cartoon The Jetsons and later implemented it with his clients’ unused treadmills. He uses it as a tool to challenge both mind and body. He reiterates that the walk outdoors is primary because it engages the dog’s instinctual migration drive, while the treadmill is a controlled backup. Huberman taught Strummer to use the treadmill with intermittent rewards and now the dog eagerly jumps on, allowing him to manage energy on days when they can’t go out or after a walk if the dog still has excess energy.

Mechanism

Physical exertion on the treadmill burns energy similar to walking/running. The novelty initially drains the dog mentally as they learn to cope with the moving belt, leading to faster mental fatigue. Combined with incline, it can provide a substantial workout.

Personal experience

Huberman shares that in California, with fires and occasional rain, he wanted a backup. He trained Strummer gently and now the dog loves the treadmill. He says, ‘We’re done. Like we … I’ve been trying to share this thing with him like we this is our thing and now he … he loves the treadmill. He’s dying to get on the treadmill.’

Listen, this is not for you to stay lazy, right? This is just for emergencies, okay? and for you to challenge the mind.

Also said
“You know, the first treadmill I saw, remember the show The Jetsons? … I learned that by watching the Jetsons. Then I came and practiced it in America because people just had the treadmill, but they were not using it.”— Interesting origin of the protocol from popular culture applied practically.

What's new

Personal practice updates, fresh positions, predictions

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Dogs read energy, not words—and silence is the most powerful communication tool

Cesar argues that the first line of communication with a dog is not sound but the silent transmission of energy, intention, and body language. A dog responds to who you are being, not what you are saying.

Why this matters: Challenges the widespread assumption that dogs primarily need verbal commands; instead, the human’s internal state is the primary signal.

Background

Most dog owners in Western countries focus on training commands and words, treating the dog like a human who processes language. Cesar grew up in a culture where silence, patience, and calmness are primary, and he observed that animals never leave this instinctual way of sensing.

Cesar explains that before a dog even processes sound, it reads energy through the nose, eyes, and ears, in that order. The ritual of ‘no touch, no talk, no eye contact’ forces the human to transmit safety through stillness and breathing, which allows the dog’s natural assessment process—nose first, then eyes, then ears—to conclude the human is trustworthy. He says: ‘Don’t talk. Don’t talk with words. Talk with energy, body language, and intention.’ This reverses the common dynamic where excited verbal greetings create an anxious, over‑aroused dog. When humans learn to project silence, calmness, and confidence, the dog enters a follower state. Cesar links this to the power of prayer and the deep silence he experienced crossing the border, where only spirit and instinct guided him. The concept extends to human relationships: people often talk too much, missing the energetic exchange that builds real trust.

Personal experience

Huberman shares an anecdote from his time with his first bulldog, Costello. After reading Cesar’s book, he practiced sending ‘approval energy’ during a walk without changing his gaze or leash tension. Costello immediately looked back at him, seemingly sensing the shift. Huberman repeated the experiment many times, even from across a room, and the dog would react. He says, ‘I realized he was sensing things that are beyond my words… He could really feel what I was feeling.’

You want your dog to listen to your silence, to your calmness, to what’s in your mind without saying a word.

Also said
“The first line of communication before sound. But most people focus on I want to train my dog. I want my dog to listen to commands. No, no, no, no. You want your dog to listen to your silence, to your calmness.”— Clarifies that silence is not absence of communication but the primary channel.
“Don’t talk. Don’t talk with words. Talk with energy, body language, and intention.”— Practical instruction for shifting from verbal to energetic communication.

Homeless people and blind people are the best dog owners because the dog stays in a follower state

Cesar observes that dogs living with homeless or blind humans are exceptionally well‑behaved off‑leash because the dog is naturally following, not leading, and the human’s energy is consistent and undistracted.

Why this matters: This completely reframes who is a ‘good’ owner—from those who provide most affection to those who, often unknowingly, provide clear directional energy.

Background

In wealthier societies, dog ownership is often associated with resources, affection, and training. The popular image is that a well‑cared‑for dog gets the best food, toys, and vet visits, yet behavioral problems are rampant.

Cesar points out that a homeless person’s dog walks off‑leash behind or beside the human because the human is moving through the world with purpose, and the dog is in a follower state. A blind person’s guide dog is in a focused follower state with zero distraction. In both cases, the human is not giving excessive affection or excited energy; they are simply being. Cesar contrasts this with many pet dogs in affluent homes who are given affection first, walk in front pulling on the leash, and develop anxiety. He says, ‘Nine out of 10 homeless people have a pitbull and the dog is well behaved, off leash.’ This insight shows that the dog’s well‑being depends far more on the human’s energy and the structure of the relationship than on material comfort.

Look at the homeless people with their dogs. Why? They can walk a dog off leash. … The human who are blind, dog is right next to them. Homeless people dog in the back, right? So what are they doing, right? Well, the dog is following them.

Also said
“The dog that lives with the blind is not allowed to get distracted because his purpose is to guide the blind. And the dog that lives with the homeless, he’s not allowed to go in front.”— Shows how the follower state is enforced by the human’s role and consistency.

Cold plunge as a training tool for humans to experience the ‘calm surrender’ state that dogs need

Cesar uses deliberate cold exposure to teach clients what a truly calm, empty‑minded state feels like, so they can reproduce it around their dogs and in life.

Why this matters: Frames cold plunge not as a wellness biohack but as a spiritual‑energetic practice that directly improves dog‑human dynamics.

Background

Many people intellectually understand the concept of being calm but cannot embody it; Cesar needed a visceral method to bypass the thinking mind and let people feel the target state.

Cesar explains that when a person enters a cold plunge, they go through fight‑or‑flight (panic, wanting to escape) and then, after a few minutes of breathing, reach ‘calm surrender’—a state where the mind is empty and still. He asks them what they are thinking, and they reply ‘nothing.’ This is the precise energy he wants people to bring to meeting, walking, and feeding their dogs. He says the cold is mother nature and forces the animal brain to take over; afterward, the person naturally emits the energy dogs crave. Huberman adds that neuroscientifically, this aligns with a surge of adrenaline and subsequent prefrontal cortex quieting, leading to a long dopamine plateau. Cesar’s point is that you can’t think your way into this state, you must experience it, and then you can transfer that felt sense to your dog interactions.

I put them in the cold plunge, right? And once they go through the fight flight avoidance, they want to see and they get to the calm surrender. What are you thinking? I’m thinking nothing. That’s exactly what a clear mind looks like.

Also said
“That energy of silence, calmness, confidence is what … you want to bring to your interaction with your dog. And ideally to your spouse and your kids too.”— Broadens the application beyond dogs.

Recommendations

Products, supplements, and tools mentioned in the episode

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Weighted dog backpack

Tool

Cesar recommends using a dog backpack to add mental and physical challenge to walks, making the walk more draining in less time.

Cesar explains that initially, just the sensation of wearing a backpack is psychologically draining because dogs don’t like wearing gear. Once the dog surrenders to it, adding light weight (starting around 5 lbs) further challenges the mind and body. He suggests this for adult dogs, not young puppies. The backpack turns a simple walk into a ‘job’, giving the dog a sense of purpose and tiring the mind through proprioceptive engagement. It’s an accessible tool for owners who cannot walk for hours, helping to achieve the ‘empty the tank’ goal faster. Cesar emphasizes that the aim is for the mind to surrender, thereby producing a calm dog.

vs alternatives

Compared to a simple leash walk, a backpack adds mental work; compared to a treadmill, it still provides outdoor migration benefits. It’s a low‑tech, affordable solution.

In the beginning you can just put a backpack cuz they’re psychologically, you know, they don’t want to wear anything. … So psychologically that drains them, right? … Once the dog gets used to it and then you start putting weight, you can start with five pounds.

Also said
“Remember, every time you add something, you challenge the mind. And the goal is simply for the mind to surrender.”— Explains the deeper purpose beyond physical exercise.
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Deliberate cold exposure (cold plunge)

Practice

Cesar uses cold plunges to teach humans the felt experience of calm surrender—the state dogs need from their owners. Huberman endorses it as a neuroscience‑backed tool for shifting state.

Cesar describes that when a person enters cold water, they initially fight and want to flee. By breathing through it for about three minutes, the mind empties and reaches calm surrender—a state of no thought, only presence. He says this is the exact energy one should carry when greeting, walking, and feeding a dog. The cold doesn’t allow you to think; you can only breathe and wait. He advises clients to do a cold plunge before coming home to their dog to shed accumulated stress energy and enter as a source of peace. Huberman adds that this matches the science: cold exposure triggers a surge of adrenaline followed by a long‑lasting dopamine increase and prefrontal quieting, which is ideal for calm assertive leadership.

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Compared to meditation or intellectual effort alone, a cold plunge is visceral and inescapable—it reliably delivers the state without requiring mental skill, making it accessible for people who struggle to quiet their mind.

I put them in the cold plunge, right? And once they go through the fight flight avoidance, they want to see and they get to the calm surrender. What are you thinking? I’m thinking nothing. That’s exactly what a clear mind looks like.

Also said
“So a human after a cold plunge brings that energy everywhere. You don’t have to talk. Everybody knows your energy feels really good.”— Emphasizes the transfer of the state beyond the plunge moment.
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Be the Pack Leader by Cesar Millan

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Huberman read this book before getting his first dog, Costello, and credits its principles for the exceptional relationship and behavior they had. He brings it up as the foundation that made him want to have Cesar on the podcast.

DisclosureCesar Millan is the author of the book; Andrew Huberman personally recommends it based on his own transformative experience.

Huberman describes how he had never owned a dog, waited until he had finances and a home, and then applied the book’s methods rigorously: no touch, no talk, no eye contact; exercise, discipline, affection; understanding the dog as spirit, animal, species, breed, name. He says it not only shaped Costello but also influenced his work life and entire life, teaching him about human energetics, leadership, and the importance of putting the animal’s needs before his own emotional desires. He shares that he would bring Costello to his lab and class with 400 students, and the dog was perfectly calm and well‑behaved because of these principles. The book serves as a comprehensive guide to the philosophy and practical steps discussed in the episode.

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Unlike many dog training books that emphasize command‑based training or treat motivation, this book centers on the human’s energy, leadership, and understanding of dog psychology, making it a foundational read for relationship over tricks.

Personal experience

Huberman states: ‘I read his book, Be the Pack Leader, and the principles within that book were critical for developing an incredible relationship with Costello, who lived 11 years. … I credit that to the methods that I learned from Caesar’s book.’

Your book, Be the Pack Leader. I read the hard copy to raise my first puppy. … That book and your other teachings were tremendously impactful for my relationship with him.

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Notable quotes

Lines worth pulling out — contrarian, specific, or perfectly phrased

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I train humans, rehabilitate dogs.
Encapsulates Cesar’s philosophy that the problem is never the dog, but the human’s energy and leadership.
The human tells you the story and the dog tells you the truth.
A memorable, almost proverbial line that cuts through rationalization and gets to the core of Cesar’s observational skill.
We’re the only species that follow unstable leaders.
Profound insight on human nature and politics, drawing a sharp contrast with how animals instinctively reject unstable energy.
A tired dog is never going to give you problems ever. Ever.
The simplest and most actionable rule for preventing behavioral issues, repeated emphatically.
You want your dog to listen to your silence, to your calmness, to what’s in your mind without saying a word.
Radically shifts the focus from verbal command training to energetic and intentional leadership.

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