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Latest Research About Reversing Aging Cells
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Latest Research About Reversing Aging Cells

Siim Land
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TL;DR

The four things you'd lose by not watching

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TL;DR

The four things you'd lose by not watching

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Cellular senescence—cells exiting the cell cycle due to damage and releasing inflammatory factors—is a fundamental hallmark of aging that accumulates when the immune system can no longer clear them, contributing to diseases like Alzheimer's, osteoarthritis, and liver dysfunction.

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The first-in-class senolytic combination, dasatinib (a cancer drug) plus quercetin (a flavonoid), was identified by Dr. Robins and collaborators; early clinical trials suggest benefit in the subset of people with high senescent cell burden, though better second-generation senolytics are in development.

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Lifestyle interventions—diet, exercise, caloric restriction, and compressed eating—consistently reduce senescent cell burden, but Dr. Robins argues pharmaceutical senolytics will still be needed for those who can't or won't maintain such routines.

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Emerging strategies include partial cellular rejuvenation via small-molecule cocktails (rather than OSKM gene therapy) that use transcriptomic, lipidomic, and metabolomic data to make aged cells look younger, and gene editing to introduce centenarian-protective variants like SIRT6.

Protocols

Concrete recipes — what, when, how much, and why

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Diet and exercise for senescent cell reduction

WhatMaintain a healthy diet (caloric restriction, compressed eating, amino acid moderation) and regular exercise routine appropriate for age to lower senescent cell burden.
WhenThroughout life, but especially from middle age onward. Dr. Robins suggests finding a manageable diet and exercise you can actually follow, not extreme regimens.
DoseExercise without specific duration; diet patterns like caloric restriction or time-restricted eating without precise caloric targets.
For whomAnyone seeking to slow aging; particularly those over 50.
WhyAnimal and human studies show that exercise and dietary interventions reduce markers of senescence, likely via multiple mechanisms including improved immune clearance and metabolic normalization.
CaveatsNo single diet proven optimal; effects vary by mouse strain and likely by individual. Must be sustainable; Dr. Robins emphasizes that the best regimen is one you can follow long-term.

Dr. Robins stated that the conventional advice of diet and exercise remains the most validated approach to reduce senescent cell burden. In mouse models, exercise and dietary restriction produce outcomes comparable to senolytics, though sometimes the drug provides a slightly greater benefit. He emphasized that not everyone will adopt these lifestyle habits, which justifies developing pharmaceutical options for those who don't. The research on specific dietary components (carb/protein/amino acid ratios) is ongoing and not yet prescriptive. His key advice was to adopt an exercise routine and eating pattern that fit your life, rather than attempting extreme diets that are unsustainable. He mentioned that he personally learned this only after turning 50 when age-related knee pain forced him to find appropriate exercise.

Mechanism

Exercise may stimulate immune function to better clear senescent cells, though exact mechanism unclear. Caloric restriction reduces metabolic stress and lowers inflammation, both of which drive senescence. These behaviors also affect multiple hallmarks of aging, creating a synergistic effect.

Personal experience

Dr. Robins: "It took me turning 50 before I started to think about this more. I always exercised and played sports, but then as your body gets older and your knee starts to hurt a little bit, you're not as active on the squash court. So I finally learned to find exercise routines and diets that I actually can follow, not just imagine, but actually follow."

Unfortunately the answer is the same answer you would get when you ask what can you do to live longer and healthier and that's diet and exercise.

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“It's been shown that exercise in mice and I think in humans can reduce senescent cell burden at least with the markers we have.”— Provides the evidence basis for exercise.
“Senescence, diet or a senolytic seem to give similar results with many cases though the senolytic working slightly better.”— Compares lifestyle and drug interventions directly.

Intermittent fisetin supplementation

WhatTake the flavonoid fisetin orally in high doses intermittently (e.g., two consecutive days every two weeks) as a potential senolytic, though optimal dose and schedule remain unknown.
WhenNo fixed schedule validated; Dr. Robins personally used 2 days high dose, 14 days off during the COVID-19 era.
DoseExact dose not specified; Dr. Robins says 'took high doses for two days, then 14 days off, repeat'. No evidence this is correct regimen; many people take daily low doses but efficacy uncertain.
For whomOlder individuals with suspected high senescent cell burden (no approved diagnostic). Dr. Robins does not universally recommend it due to uncertainty.
WhyFisetin was identified by Dr. Robins' group as a natural senolytic; mouse studies show it can reduce senescent cell burden and protect against viral infection. Human clinical trials are ongoing.
CaveatsNot an optimal senolytic; high doses required in mice; many people in the aging field take it, but we don't know the right dose, timing, or who will respond. No documented adverse effects from short-term use, but long-term safety unclear.

Dr. Robins and collaborators published the first study showing fisetin has senolytic activity, which led to multiple clinical trials. He himself began taking fisetin during the pandemic after mouse data showed protection against a SARS-CoV-2-like virus. He acknowledges that many longevity researchers self-experiment with fisetin, but stresses that the lack of dosing data is a problem. The field needs better biomarkers to identify who has high senescent cell burden and would benefit. He does not recommend large doses for everyone, noting that it's still experimental. His team is developing analogs with higher potency and better targeting, aiming for clinical trials.

Mechanism

Fisetin is a flavonoid that likely kills certain senescent cell subtypes, but Dr. Robins notes it probably binds hundreds of proteins, so the key target is unknown. They have developed more effective fisetin analogs that may be closer to clinical translation.

Personal experience

Dr. Robins: "I take fisetin intermittently myself. ... When we showed that fisetin actually protects old mice from a virus similar to SARS-CoV-2, we started to take fisetin to protect ourselves from COVID if we were so infected. But again we don't know what the right dose is. So we were taking for two days we took high doses, went 14 days and another two days with a high dose — no evidence that that's the right dosing regimen."

I think the problem with taking fisetin is … we really don't know the dose. So some people take a certain dose daily, some people take a higher dose once a week.

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“Fisetin is not the best senolytic and it takes high doses to see a benefit in mice.”— Sets realistic expectation about potency.
“I don't think there's a downside. In fact many people in the aging field are taking fisetin.”— Gives insight into the culture among researchers and a tentative safety signal.

Intermittent rapamycin at low dose

WhatUse rapamycin (or rapalogs) intermittently at low doses to suppress inflammatory secretions of senescent cells (senomorphic effect) and improve immune function, rather than daily high-dose immunosuppressive use.
WhenIntermittent schedule; no specifics from this interview but reference to Joan Mannick's work showing flu/tetanus vaccine response improvement with periodic rapamycin.
DoseLower doses than transplant immunosuppression; intermittent (not daily). Exact doses not discussed.
For whomOlder adults with declining immune function or high inflammatory burden; clinical trials ongoing for age-related conditions.
WhyRapamycin was the first drug shown to extend lifespan in mice. It suppresses the SASP (senescence-associated secretory phenotype) without killing cells, reducing inflammation. Intermittent dosing avoids immunosuppressive side effects while retaining benefits like improved vaccine response in the elderly.
CaveatsHigh continuous doses cause immunosuppression and side effects (oral ulcers, metabolic disruption). Intermittent low-dose regimens appear safer, but long-term data in healthy humans still limited. Rapalogs (more selective mTORC1 inhibitors) are in development to improve safety.

Dr. Robins explains that rapamycin doesn't kill senescent cells but suppresses their inflammatory factor release. It's not fully known which hallmark of aging rapamycin primarily targets—whether it's inflammation, metabolism, or stem cell function. He cites a study by Joan Mannick showing that intermittent rapamycin treatment boosted immune responses to vaccines in older people. He also mentions rapalogs, which may more selectively inhibit the mTOR complex 1 associated with side effects. The optimal dosing and start age remain open questions, but rapamycin remains a cornerstone of pharmacological anti-aging research.

Mechanism

Rapamycin inhibits mTOR, which regulates nutrient signaling, gene expression, and the inflammatory component of senescent cells. Reducing mTOR activity blunts the SASP, leading to less systemic inflammation. Additionally, it may improve metabolic function and stem cell function. Dr. Robins calls drugs that suppress the SASP without killing the cell 'senomorphics'.

Rapamycin has been shown by a variety of groups and ourselves to actually reduce senescence. It doesn't kill senescent cells, but it suppresses the inflammatory factors that senescent cells release.

Also said
“If you dose it intermittently then it actually increases the immune system function.”— Addresses the counterintuitive immune-boosting effect at lower intermittent doses.

Metformin for metabolic health and senescence reduction

WhatTake the diabetes drug metformin to normalize metabolism, which in turn reduces senescent cell burden and may extend health span.
WhenNo specific age; Dr. Robins previously took it. The TAME trial is testing metformin's ability to delay age-related diseases.
DoseNot specified. Standard clinical metformin doses are typically 500-2000 mg/day.
For whomPossibly middle-aged and older adults as a preventive against age-related diseases, but definitive evidence from the TAME trial is pending.
WhyMetformin improves insulin sensitivity and metabolic function; in mice, it reduces markers of senescence and extends lifespan. It's extremely cheap and widely available.
CaveatsDr. Robins himself discontinued it for unspecified reasons. Not everyone responds; benefit may depend on baseline metabolic health. Gastrointestinal side effects can limit tolerance.

Dr. Robins mentioned metformin alongside SGLT2 inhibitors as drugs that normalize metabolism and reduce senescence markers. He noted that SGLT2 inhibitors also show broad healthspan benefits. He emphasized that these are already used by millions for type 2 diabetes, and the geroscience interest is their ability to improve health across multiple systems. He did not personally continue metformin but sees it as a promising agent if the TAME trial confirms efficacy. He also highlighted its affordability as key for equitable deployment.

Mechanism

Metformin acts partly by inhibiting mitochondrial complex I, activating AMPK, and reducing hepatic gluconeogenesis. The reduction in metabolic stress lowers drivers of cellular senescence, and some data suggests it directly impacts senescence pathways.

Personal experience

Dr. Robins: "I have taken metformin in the past but for whatever reason didn't continue it."

Drugs that humans are taking for type 2 diabetes, metformin and SGLT2 inhibitors, are having a benefit on healthspan across the board as well as able to reduce markers of senescence.

What's new

Personal practice updates, fresh positions, predictions

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GLP-1 receptor agonists as first true anti-aging drugs

GLP-1 agonists (e.g., semaglutide) show benefits across multiple age-related diseases—Parkinson's, Alzheimer's, osteoarthritis, liver disease—independent of weight loss, and pharma panels now call them the first real anti-aging drugs.

Why this matters: Challenges the common belief that GLP-1 effects are only from calorie restriction; emerging data indicate direct disease-modifying effects, including changes in joint architecture and broad receptor expression in tissues like brain chondrocytes.

Background

GLP-1 agonists were developed for diabetes and obesity, with known appetite suppression. Longevity researchers initially assumed benefits were secondary to caloric restriction, but accumulating evidence suggests independent mechanisms.

At a recent aging research meeting in Copenhagen, a panel of pharma experts unanimously agreed that GLP-1 agonists may be the first genuine anti-aging drugs. Dr. Robins notes that every time he opens a journal, there's an article about a GLP-1 compound positively affecting an age-related disease. He highlights osteoarthritis: patients show structural improvements in the joint, not just pain relief from weight loss. Surprisingly, receptors for GLP-1 are expressed on chondrocytes in the joint and neurons in the brain, hinting at direct signalling beyond appetite. However, he cautions about potential adverse effects on muscle mass, and companies are developing combination drugs to preserve muscle function. The mechanism remains unclear, but the broad benefits have made GLP-1 agonists a hot topic in geroscience.

I keep talking about how every time I pick up a journal there's an article about a zmp or related compound having a positive effect on an age-related disease.

Also said
“Will GLP1 receptor agonist be the first true anti-aging drug and the panel of people from pharma they all said yes.”— Shows consensus from industry experts at the Copenhagen meeting.

Partial rejuvenation via small molecules instead of OSKM factors

Dr. Robins' lab screens for drugs that can partially rejuvenate senescent cells—making them transcriptionally and epigenetically younger without killing them—rather than using Yamanaka factors which carry cancer risk.

Why this matters: Shifts the paradigm from simply eliminating senescent cells to 'rejuvenating' them safely, addressing the concern that killing fully differentiated cells (e.g., neurons) might create tissue holes.

Background

Partial reprogramming with OSKM (Yamanaka) factors can rejuvenate cells but raises safety issues: overexpressing oncogenic genes may cause cancer, and turning cells into an embryonic-like state is undesirable. Companies like Altos Labs focus on this approach.

Dr. Robins' team has identified compounds that reduce senescence markers without inducing cell death, and observed that some drugs make senescent cells appear younger at the transcriptional and epigenetic levels. He calls partial rejuvenation the 'holy grail' because it could circumvent the problem of killing non-replenishable cells like neurons. They are now running assays to validate these effects, suspecting that many drugs thought to target individual hallmarks of aging actually work by partially rejuvenating aged cells. The approach uses multi-omics readouts—transcriptome, lipidome, metabolome—to confirm youth-like cellular states. This could lead to drug cocktails that make cells 'look younger' without the risks of gene therapy or full reprogramming.

I think that really is the holy grail. I think in some ways when we're focused on these different hallmarks, many of the approaches are actually partially rejuvenating an age cell.

Also said
“We're screening for cenolytics that can take a senescent cell and not kill it but make it not showing all these markers of senescence and some of them actually make the cells look younger healthier at the transcriptional level and the epigenetic level.”— Describes the specific approach of the lab.
“We're going to come up with different drugs and different cocktails of drugs that will show signs of not reducing senescence targeting other hallmarks of aging but actually using the transcriptome the lipidome the metabolome all the different omics make a cell look younger.”— States the forward-looking goal of using omics to verify rejuvenation.

Subtype-specific senescent cell targeting

Different tissues contain distinct senescent cell types (e.g., hepatocytes vs. Kupffer cells vs. infiltrating immune cells in the liver) with unique inflammatory profiles, requiring tailored senolytic strategies.

Why this matters: Moves beyond the one-size-fits-all senolytic approach and highlights the complexity needed for effective, safe treatments.

Background

Early senolytic work targeted broad markers, but it's becoming clear that a single senolytic drug may not clear all harmful senescent cells equally, and some senescent cells might even be beneficial in acute settings like wound healing.

Dr. Robins explains that in the liver alone, one can find senescent hepatocytes, senescent Kupffer cells, and senescent infiltrating immune cells, each with a different inflammatory signature. This implies that a disease like liver fibrosis might require clearing one subtype, while another liver disease might require clearing a different subtype. Similarly, in the brain, it appears that microglial cells develop a senescent-like phenotype, and clearing those may be beneficial, while clearing senescent neurons might be detrimental. However, animal data so far haven't shown adverse effects from clearing a few senescent cells, even in the brain. The field is still working on markers to distinguish 'good' acute senescent cells (wound healing, embryogenesis) from 'bad' chronic ones.

Each one of these senescent cells seems to have a different inflammatory profile. So the thought is that they may be having different types of adverse effects.

Also said
“It's really becoming clear that if you take a tissue such as the brain or the liver… you can see senescent hepatocytes, senescent Kupffer cells, senescent infiltrating immune cells.”— Concrete example of cellular diversity within one organ.
“The field's still trying to determine what a good senescent cell looks like how to characterize it versus a bad senescent cell.”— Highlights the unresolved challenge for clinical translation.

Senolytics derived from cancer drugs

The first senolytics are repurposed anti-cancer drugs because senescent cells often activate oncogene pathways and block apoptosis in ways similar to tumor cells.

Why this matters: Explains the mechanistic rationale behind the initial senolytic pipeline and why many natural products with senolytic activity also kill tumor cells.

Background

The 2016 paper by Dr. Robins, Jim Kirkland, and others identified dasatinib plus quercetin (D+Q) as the first senolytic combination. Dasatinib is an FDA-approved tyrosine kinase inhibitor for cancer.

Dr. Robins describes how senescence can be triggered by oncogene activation, and the ensuing cell cycle arrest is an anti-tumor mechanism. However, the same pathways that block apoptosis in tumor cells also keep senescent cells alive. Thus, drugs targeting those survival pathways—like dasatinib, which inhibits tyrosine kinase receptors—kill both cancer cells and senescent cells. This conceptual overlap suggests that senolytics, by clearing cells with oncogene activation before they break through senescence arrest, may also reduce cancer risk. Many natural products with senolytic properties similarly show anti-cancer activity. This dual function positions senolytics as agents that simultaneously extend health span and potentially reduce cancer incidence.

Drugs that target these pathways that keep the cells from dying, tumor cells, also appear to kill many types of senescent cells.

Also said
“In theory if we use our cenolytics it's going to clear these senescent cells that have oncogene activation that if they break through the senescence fate they eventually lead to cancer.”— Adds the cancer prevention angle of senolytics.
“The first generation of drugs which in most cases turn out to be anti-cancer drugs…dasatinib in combination with a flavonoid quercetin.”— Names the specific first-generation combination.

Centenarian protective variants as gene therapy targets

Sequencing centenarian genomes reveals rare variants (e.g., in SIRT6, IGF-1 receptor) that promote longevity; using gene editing to introduce these variants could extend health span in the general population.

Why this matters: Moves from pharmacological to genetic interventions, with a large-scale effort to identify variants that can override high-risk genes like APOE4.

Background

Previous longevity research identified gene associations, but the centenarian approach provides a blueprint of protective biology that could be engineered.

Dr. Robins is part of a collaboration with Albert Einstein and Columbia University to sequence centenarian genomes. They discovered a more active variant of SIRT6 that led them to study fucoidin as a SIRT6 agonist. The vision is that one day, safe gene editing could introduce such variants into somatic cells. However, significant safety concerns remain: off-target effects, cost, and the fact that beneficial variants can counterbalance harmful ones (some centenarians carry APOE4 or BRCA1 mutations but still live long). He notes that current therapies should be developed for everyone, not just the wealthy, and gene editing will require much more validation before it's used in healthy people. Nevertheless, the lab has already shown that delivering a centenarian SIRT6 variant to mouse liver via AAV improves healthspan.

Could you engineer our genome to carry variants that have been shown to lead to extend the lifespan in humans? I think we're a long way off from that but it is feasible in theory.

Also said
“Companies have taken that centenarian variant in SIRT6 and delivered it to liver with an AAV and the mice are healthier if you overexpress this variant.”— Provides concrete proof-of-concept for gene therapy.
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Fisetin

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Recommended tentatively as an over-the-counter senolytic, but optimal dose unknown. Dr. Robins and many aging researchers self-experiment.

DisclosureDr. Robins was among the first to publish fisetin's senolytic activity and has developed fisetin analogs; he takes fisetin himself intermittently.

Dr. Robins' group discovered fisetin's senolytic properties, leading to multiple clinical trials. While he takes it personally, he does not broadly recommend it due to unclear dosing. He notes that daily low-dose users report feeling better, but emphasizes we lack controlled data. His lab is developing more potent analogs. He also mentions that fisetin protected aged mice from a SARS-CoV-2-like virus, motivating his own use during the pandemic. He doesn't see a short-term downside but cautions against high doses without supervision.

vs alternatives

Compared to quercetin, fisetin is likely more effective as a senolytic; compared to first-gen drug D+Q, it's a natural supplement with easier access but lower potency and unknown dosing.

Personal experience

Dr. Robins: "I do take fisetin. I take it intermittently myself."

Fisetin is not the best senolytic and it takes high doses to see a benefit in mice. We have made analogs of fisetin which we think are much more effective.

Also said
“During COVID when we showed that fisetin actually protects old mice from a virus similar to SARS-CoV-2, we started to take fisetin to protect ourselves from COVID if we were so infected.”— Reveals the specific real-world application that prompted his personal use.
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Fucoidin (brown seaweed extract)

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A complex polysaccharide from brown seaweed, taken as a health supplement in Asia, that Dr. Robins' lab showed suppresses the inflammatory factors of senescent cells and improves DNA repair via SIRT6 activation.

DisclosureDr. Robins' lab researches fucoidin's mechanism as a SIRT6 agonist and senomorphic.

Dr. Robins explains that fucoidin does not kill senescent cells but acts as a senomorphic, suppressing their inflammatory secretions. Mechanistically, it appears to stimulate the enzyme SIRT6, which is involved in DNA repair; mouse data indicate reduced genotoxic stress, less senescence, and less inflammation. Multiple companies now sell fucoidin as a SIRT6 agonist. However, there have been no rigorous controlled studies in humans measuring aging biomarkers or senescence, though clinical trials are beginning. He is hopeful that properly blinded trials with quality-controlled sources will determine if fucoidin provides health benefits. As with other supplements, he stops short of a blanket recommendation until trials are complete.

vs alternatives

Unlike senolytic supplements (fisetin, quercetin) that kill cells, fucoidin works as a senomorphic (like rapamycin) by reducing inflammation without cell death, and uniquely targets SIRT6/DNA repair.

We showed fucoidin actually functions as what we call a senomorphic. It suppresses the inflammatory components of senescent cells. And we think it does this because it stimulates an enzyme called SIRT6 which is involved in DNA repair.

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Masonic Institute on the Biology of Aging and Metabolism (maybam) website and quarterly newsletter

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The institute's website and upcoming newsletter provide information on geroscience research, including preclinical and clinical updates, papers, and grants.

DisclosureDr. Robins is co-director of the institute at the University of Minnesota.

Dr. Robins directed listeners to search for 'maybam' at the University of Minnesota to find institute resources. They are launching a quarterly newsletter in the fall that will highlight accomplishments, publications, and awards. Additionally, his personal lab site (robins.n.edu) provides updates on papers and projects. He stressed the importance of communicating high-quality science directly to the public to counter misinformation, especially given the current pressure on science in the US.

If you look for the Masonic Institute in the Biology of Aging and Metabolism, it's called Maybam. ... We are starting hopefully a quarterly newsletter that you'll be able to download from our website.

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“It's a goal for everybody in aging research to make the public aware of what's happening, both the positive and the negative based on high-quality science.”— Emphasizes the information quality mission.
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Notable quotes

Lines worth pulling out — contrarian, specific, or perfectly phrased

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The root cause of many of these diseases were similar and they seem to be things that change with aging. So I very quickly bought into this geroscience concept that the greatest risk factor for most diseases is the aging process.
Concise summary of the geroscience paradigm that drove his career shift.
What we want to do is compress the curve so this period of co-morbidity is very short as we age. So we're healthier for longer and then fall apart quickly.
Memorable phrase explaining the healthspan over lifespan goal.
I think we're going to come up with different drugs and different cocktails of drugs that will show signs of not reducing senescence but actually using the transcriptome the lipidome the metabolome all the different omics make a cell look younger.
Forward-looking statement about the next frontier in cellular rejuvenation.
We're not out hawking supplements just for the sake of supplements, but trying to do well controlled clinical studies to evaluate whether supplements work either alone or in combination.
Emphasizes scientific integrity in a field filled with hype.

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