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The New Era of Keto (it’s changed more than you think)
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The New Era of Keto (it’s changed more than you think)

Thomas DeLauer
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TL;DR

The four things you'd lose by not watching

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TL;DR

The four things you'd lose by not watching

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The ketogenic diet has been used therapeutically for over 200 years for conditions like obesity, type 2 diabetes, and even type 1 diabetes, and emerging evidence suggests benefits for cognitive decline and serious mental illness.

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The initial phase of a ketogenic diet (first 4 weeks) involves significant metabolic shifts, including reduced insulin, water weight loss, and increased fat burning, leading to a 'new normal' in various physiological markers.

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Electrolyte imbalances are a common pitfall in the first few weeks of keto; supplementing with sodium (3-5g/day, plus 1-3g if exercising) is crucial to mitigate symptoms like fatigue and cognitive fogginess.

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While exercise is beneficial, diet is the primary driver for body composition changes on keto; focusing on whole, unprocessed foods and avoiding 'keto-friendly' processed items is key for long-term success and sustainability.

Protocols

Concrete recipes — what, when, how much, and why

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Ketogenic Diet (Initial Phase: First 24 hours to 7 days)

WhatReduce carbohydrate intake to less than 50 grams per day to initiate a metabolic shift towards fat burning and ketone production.
WhenImmediately upon starting the diet.
DoseLess than 50 grams of carbohydrates per day.
For whomIndividuals new to the ketogenic diet, especially those with metabolic derangement (obesity, type 2 diabetes, pre-diabetes, high triglycerides, enlarged waistline).
WhyTo dramatically lower glucose levels and, consequently, insulin, the most powerful hormone in metabolism. This triggers the body to start breaking down fat for fuel.
CaveatsExpect significant water weight loss and potential electrolyte imbalances due to reduced insulin. Supplementing with electrolytes is crucial.

The first phase of the ketogenic diet, lasting from the initial meal up to about 7 days, is characterized by a rapid and profound metabolic shift. The primary action is a drastic reduction in carbohydrate intake, typically below 50 grams per day. This immediately lowers blood glucose levels, which is the most important biological change, as it leads to a significant drop in insulin. Insulin, being a powerful anabolic hormone, normally promotes glucose storage and blocks fat breakdown. With its reduction, the body begins to mobilize stored fat for energy. This initial phase also results in substantial water weight loss (around 2% of body weight, or 3-4 lbs for an average male) due to insulin's role in retaining water and sodium. Individuals can expect changes in appetite and a reduction in post-meal fatigue as glucose and insulin levels stabilize. The body starts to increase fat burning and reduce its reliance on carbohydrates for fuel.

Mechanism

Reducing carbohydrate intake leads to a rapid drop in blood glucose, which in turn causes a dramatic reduction in insulin levels (33-75%). Lower insulin removes the blockade on fat breakdown (lipolysis) and ketone production (ketogenesis) in the liver. This shift also causes significant water and sodium excretion, leading to initial weight loss.

The first phase is when someone goes into a ketogenic diet, the first phase they can anticipate is one, they're eating less glucose or carbohydrates. So you would typically around four to sixfold less. So the body is getting much less glucose almost immediately.

Also said
“As a consequence that triggers the most important biological change in the body which is a drop in insulin. Insulin is the most powerful hormone in metabolism.”— Highlights the central role of insulin reduction.
“We know that individuals within the first five to six days can lose around 2% of their body weight. So for the average American male that's around 4 lb within the first week.”— Provides a quantifiable expectation for initial water weight loss.

Ketogenic Diet (Adaptation Phase: 7 days to 4 weeks)

WhatContinue strict carbohydrate restriction while the body progressively adapts to burning fat and ketones, leading to normalization of various metabolic markers and physical performance.
WhenFollowing the initial 7 days, extending up to 4 weeks.
DoseMaintain carbohydrate restriction (less than 50g/day).
For whomAnyone continuing a ketogenic diet after the initial week, aiming for full metabolic adaptation.
WhyThis phase is where the body solidifies its metabolic shift, reaching a new state of homeostasis in glucose, ketones, fat burning, and electrolyte balance.
CaveatsInitial performance dips in explosivity and endurance may occur, along with temporary cognitive fogginess and sleep issues, but these typically resolve and improve.

The second phase, from 7 days to 4 weeks, is a period of progressive adaptation where the body refines its new metabolic state. The initial rapid changes seen in the first week continue to evolve. Liver glycogen stores begin to normalize, and there's a significant ramp-up in total body fat utilization, with fat oxidation increasing by 100-200% (and even up to 400% in some 'hyper-responders'). Reliance on carbohydrates for fuel continues to decrease. Glucose and ketone levels stabilize at their new normal, with ketones peaking around 3 weeks. Importantly, physical performance, which might initially dip, especially in high-intensity activities, typically normalizes or even improves by the 4-week mark. This phase also sees the normalization of sodium and water retention, and improvements in lipid profiles (triglycerides drop, HDL increases, LDL shifts to a less atherogenic form). Subjectively, appetite regulation improves, and satiety increases. The speaker emphasizes that by the 4-week mark, most individuals reach a state of 'new normal' or homeostasis across various physiological and functional markers.

Mechanism

During this phase, enzymatic changes in the liver become more pronounced, further enhancing lipolysis (fat breakdown) and ketogenesis. Glucose levels, after an initial drop, normalize to a new baseline. Ketone levels, which begin rising within 18 hours, peak around 3 weeks and then normalize. Fat oxidation significantly increases (100-200%, up to 400% in some individuals), and carbohydrate reliance decreases. Muscle glycogen levels begin to restore, and nitrogen balance normalizes, indicating reduced muscle breakdown. Physical performance, initially impaired, returns to baseline or improves by the 4-week mark.

Personal experience

The host notes a slight decline in explosivity and initial endurance, but a significant increase in endurance towards the end of the four-week period. He also experienced cognitive fogginess for the first few days, followed by an 'exponential hockey stick up' in cognitive function. Sleep issues initially, then a new baseline requiring less sleep (6-7 hours instead of 7-8).

And around that four-week window when every these metabolites start to normalize, unsurprisingly, we also see other functional changes start to normalize, we see physical performance start to to uh normalize again.

Also said
“We see that within the first 24 to 7 day or 24 hours to 7 days that once you lower insulin, which happens at the first meal, it just you see these progressive changes. One of the the key changes that are happening is enzyatic changes in the fat, enzyatic changes in the liver.”— Explains the enzymatic changes driving adaptation.
“We've studied ketogenic diets for 4 weeks in highintensity uh uh really close to max effort onem time trials to to as fast as possible really really difficult short-term aerobic efforts to 6 by 800 meter sprints. And we see the ketogenic diet as long as you stick to it for four weeks in duration, we see no impaired performance.”— Provides evidence for performance maintenance in athletes after 4 weeks.

Ketogenic Diet (Long-Term Adaptation: Beyond 4 weeks)

WhatSustained ketogenic diet leading to full fat adaptation and keto-adaptation, where the body efficiently utilizes fat and ketones, and muscle glycogen levels normalize over a longer period.
WhenBeyond the 4-week mark, extending for months or years.
DoseContinued adherence to a ketogenic diet.
For whomIndividuals committed to long-term ketogenic living, including athletes seeking optimal performance and those managing chronic conditions.
WhyTo achieve complete metabolic flexibility, where the body can efficiently switch between fuel sources, and to fully normalize all physiological markers, including muscle glycogen.
CaveatsInitial 'honeymoon period' effects (rapid weight loss, mood lift) may plateau, requiring a focus on sustained benefits rather than continuous dramatic changes. Be aware of 'physiologic insulin resistance' as a normal adaptation, not a pathological state.

Beyond the initial 4-week adaptation, the ketogenic diet leads to a more profound and sustained state of fat adaptation and keto-adaptation. While the rapid changes of the 'honeymoon period' might subside, the body continues to refine its metabolic machinery. A key long-term adaptation is the complete normalization of muscle glycogen levels, which can take anywhere from 9 to 36 months, as observed in studies like Jeff Volek's 'Faster Study' on elite athletes. This means that even on a ketogenic diet, athletes can replenish muscle glycogen just as effectively as those on high-carb diets, once fully adapted. This phase is characterized by a high level of fat burning, a significantly reduced reliance on carbohydrates, and stable glucose and insulin levels, even during exercise. The body achieves true metabolic flexibility, efficiently utilizing both fat and carbohydrates as needed, leading to sustained performance and overall well-being. The speaker also addresses 'physiologic insulin resistance' in this phase, clarifying that it's a normal and beneficial adaptation where the body becomes less sensitive to glucose due to its primary reliance on fat, rather than a pathological condition.

Mechanism

While most rapid changes occur by 4 weeks, some adaptations, like complete muscle glycogen normalization, can take 9-36 months. At this stage, the body is fully fat-adapted, meaning it efficiently burns fat for fuel and utilizes ketones. This leads to a much lower reliance on carbohydrates and stable glucose and insulin levels. Ketone bodies also play a role in blocking muscle breakdown, contributing to nitrogen balance normalization. The body achieves metabolic flexibility, efficiently switching between fuel substrates as needed, even during intense exercise.

So you see that once you get into this full-fledged adapted stage that you're able to leverage and utilize a lot of the same processes that you were before that, but now you're at a much higher level of fat burning.

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“In fact, the one study that actually shows a complete normalization of muscle glycogen in athletes is a study from Jeff Bulock called the faster study where they brought in some of the best athletes in the entire world. And those athletes were habituating or sticking with this ketogenic diet for 9 to 36 months depending on the athlete themselves.”— Provides evidence for long-term muscle glycogen normalization in elite athletes.
“You're less going through less glucose swings, less insulin, less insulin swings as well.”— Highlights the stability of glucose and insulin in the long term.

Prioritizing Whole Foods on Keto

WhatFocus on consuming whole, unprocessed foods like meats, cheeses, dairy fat, and vegetables, especially during the initial 4-week adaptation period.
WhenEspecially during the first 4 weeks of a ketogenic diet, but ideally throughout.
DoseMake whole foods 80-90% of your intake.
For whomAll individuals on a ketogenic diet, particularly those starting out.
WhyProcessed 'keto-friendly' foods can be hyper-palatable and calorically dense, potentially leading to overconsumption and hindering adaptation. Whole foods provide baseline nutrition and avoid misleading labels.
CaveatsBe wary of 'keto-friendly' labels, as some processed foods can still spike blood sugar or encourage overeating due to hyper-palatability and caloric density.

The speaker strongly advocates for a whole-food approach to the ketogenic diet, particularly during the initial adaptation phase. He notes that when he first started keto in 2010, processed keto foods were scarce, leading him to naturally consume 80-90% whole foods (meat, veggies, cheese, oils, avocado), which he found led to his best success. The concern with modern 'keto-friendly' processed foods is their hyper-palatability and high caloric density. He references a study on sucralose showing it lit up the brain and increased desire to eat, even without an insulin response. This suggests that processed keto foods, being fat-heavy, could lead to significantly higher calorie intake (3-4x) if they trigger similar reward pathways. Therefore, sticking to whole foods helps avoid these pitfalls, promotes satiety, and ensures more consistent metabolic adaptation. He advises leaning into natural fats from meats, cheeses, and dairy, and finding keto-friendly alternatives for commonly missed foods like bread or desserts to improve long-term sustainability.

Mechanism

Processed foods, even those labeled 'keto-friendly,' can contain ingredients that trigger hunger responses or have unexpected metabolic effects (e.g., artificial sweeteners lighting up the brain's reward centers). Whole foods, by contrast, are generally less processed, less hyper-palatable, and provide more predictable metabolic responses, supporting stable blood glucose and insulin levels, which are crucial for ketosis.

Personal experience

The host recalls his best success on keto was when processed keto foods were not widely available, forcing him to eat 80-90% whole foods. He also mentions a personal experiment where a sub-perceptual amount of sweetener in coffee drove him to want three cups, illustrating the power of even subtle palatability cues.

My usual rule is in that first four-week period. Like, just avoid those things, right? So, lean into the meats, lean into the cheeses, lean into the dairy fat if you're not a big meat eater.

Also said
“I can say firsthand, I've been using it for 7 years, like when I fast or when I'm reducing calories, game changer.”— Host's personal endorsement of Element for fasting/calorie reduction.
“I think that ketogenic processed foods are even more dangerous because they're going to be calorically dense because they're more operative on fat, right? So you're looking at fat, so they're much more calorically dense.”— Explains why processed keto foods can be particularly problematic.

Electrolyte Supplementation on Keto

WhatSupplement with sodium, potassium, and magnesium, especially during the initial phase of a ketogenic diet.
WhenCrucially during the first 2-4 weeks, and potentially ongoing for sodium.
Dose3-5 grams of sodium per day, with an additional 1-3 grams if exercising. Specifics for potassium and magnesium are not given but implied.
For whomAnyone starting or on a ketogenic diet, particularly in the initial adaptation phase.
WhyReduced insulin levels cause increased excretion of water and electrolytes (especially sodium), leading to symptoms like fatigue, headaches, and cognitive issues (keto flu).
CaveatsElectrolyte needs are highest initially and may normalize somewhat after 2-4 weeks, but ongoing higher sodium intake is often beneficial due to the absence of insulin spikes from carbohydrates.

Electrolyte imbalances are identified as the most common pitfall for individuals starting a ketogenic diet. The dramatic reduction in insulin, a direct consequence of carbohydrate restriction, leads to increased excretion of sodium and water by the kidneys. This loss of electrolytes, particularly sodium, can cause symptoms commonly known as the 'keto flu,' which include fatigue, headaches, muscle cramps, irritability, and cognitive fogginess. The speaker recommends an intake of 3-5 grams of sodium per day, with an additional 1-3 grams for those who exercise, to counteract this loss. While the most acute need for supplementation is in the first 2-4 weeks until the body's electrolyte balance normalizes, the speaker suggests that a higher sodium intake (around 30% above normal) may be beneficial long-term on a ketogenic diet because the absence of carbohydrate-induced insulin spikes means the body is consistently excreting more sodium.

Mechanism

When carbohydrate intake is drastically reduced, insulin levels drop significantly. Lower insulin reduces the body's retention of sodium and water. This increased excretion of sodium, along with potassium and other minerals, can lead to electrolyte imbalances. These imbalances manifest as 'keto flu' symptoms, including fatigue, headaches, irritability, and cognitive impairment. Supplementing electrolytes helps to counteract this loss and mitigate these symptoms, supporting the body's adaptation to ketosis.

Personal experience

The host mentions using Element electrolytes for 7 years when fasting or reducing calories, finding it a 'game changer' for curbing appetite. He also notes that his reliance on external sodium drops dramatically the longer he is on the diet.

I would say especially in the first four weeks, it's a electrolyte imbalances for sure because I don't know if people fully understand what that feels like, right?

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“You're losing more electrolytes that you have to make a concerted effort to add more sodium in. And that is just a very important thing in that first week.”— Emphasizes the active effort required for sodium intake.
“I would still if I could go out on a limb and say just in 10 years of experience of doing the diet, I would say probably a 30% increase in sodium above what you would normally have seems about right.”— Provides a long-term sodium intake guideline based on personal experience.

Protein Intake on Keto (Initial Phase)

WhatKeep protein intake relatively lower (around 30% of calories) during the first month of a ketogenic diet.
WhenDuring the initial 4-week adaptation period.
DoseApproximately 30% of total calories.
For whomIndividuals new to the ketogenic diet who want to maximize initial ketone production.
WhyWhile gluconeogenesis (glucose production from protein) is demand-driven, higher protein in the early stages *may* slow the initial increase into ketosis for those new to the diet.
CaveatsThis is a nuanced point; once fully keto-adapted, higher protein intake (up to 50% of calories) typically does not hinder ketosis significantly. Gluconeogenesis is primarily driven by fat breakdown (glycerol backbone), not protein, in adapted states.

The speaker advises a slightly lower protein intake (around 30% of calories) during the first month of a ketogenic diet, not because protein will necessarily 'kick you out' of ketosis, but to give the body every opportunity to efficiently produce ketones. He clarifies that gluconeogenesis (the conversion of protein or other substrates into glucose) is primarily demand-driven, not supply-driven. However, in the very early stages, for someone who has never done keto before, he believes that higher protein *may* slow the initial increase into ketosis. He contrasts this with the later stages of adaptation, where protein intake can be much higher (up to 50% of calories) without significantly affecting ketosis, as gluconeogenesis then primarily utilizes the glycerol backbone from fatty acids. He suggests focusing on fattier cuts of meat, cheese, and bacon to provide fats while keeping protein moderate initially.

Mechanism

Protein can stimulate an insulin response, albeit a much smaller one than carbohydrates (2.5 times less than an equivalent amount of potatoes). Since insulin can blunt ketogenesis, keeping protein lower in the very early stages might help accelerate the body's transition into a ketogenic state by minimizing any insulin-mediated suppression of ketone production. However, gluconeogenesis, the process of making glucose from non-carbohydrate sources, is largely demand-driven and primarily uses the glycerol backbone from fatty acids, not protein, in a fat-adapted state.

Personal experience

The host makes a concerted effort in the first four weeks to not overconsume protein, keeping it around 30% of calories, to maximize ketone production. He then increases it to about 50% of calories in the second month.

I do make a concerted effort in the first four weeks to not over consume protein. Not because I think the protein is going to like turn into glucose and kick me out, but I do want to give my body every opportunity necessary to create as many ketones as possible.

Also said
“Protein has 2.5 times less of a glucose and insulin response, more specifically insulin response. And so, you know, obviously protein does have an insulin response and we know that insulin can blunt ketogenesis.”— Explains the mechanism by which protein *could* theoretically impact ketosis.
“But in the beginning once again I do think and again this is just from experience myself and others in that first month I think too high of protein can be detrimental. I do think it slows it down.”— Reinforces the recommendation based on personal and observed experience.

Tracking Ketosis (Initial Phase)

WhatUse urine ketone strips to confirm dietary ketosis during the first two weeks.
WhenDuring the first two weeks of starting a ketogenic diet.
DoseRegular testing with urine strips.
For whomIndividuals new to the ketogenic diet.
WhyUrine strips measure excess ketones, which are abundant during the initial, less efficient phase of ketosis. This provides an easy and accessible way to confirm adherence and initial metabolic shift.
CaveatsUrine strips become less reliable after the initial adaptation phase (around 2 weeks) because the body becomes more efficient at using ketones, leading to fewer 'excess' ketones in the urine. Blood ketone meters are the gold standard for later stages.

For the first two weeks of a ketogenic diet, the speaker recommends using urine ketone strips as an easy way to track if the diet is working. These strips measure excess ketones, which are plentiful during the initial, less efficient phase of ketosis. He notes that he personally uses them to ensure his diet is 'in check' and typically sees ketone production within a couple of days. However, he cautions that these strips become less reliable after about two weeks because, as the body adapts and becomes more efficient at utilizing ketones, fewer excess ketones are excreted in the urine. While blood ketone testing is considered the 'gold standard,' urine strips offer a convenient and cost-effective method for initial confirmation.

Mechanism

In the early stages of ketosis, the body is not yet fully efficient at utilizing the ketones it produces. This leads to an excess of ketones (specifically acetoacetate) being excreted in the urine, which urine strips can detect. As the body adapts and becomes more 'keto-adapted,' it gets better at using ketones for fuel, resulting in fewer excess ketones in the urine, making the strips less indicative of the actual state of ketosis.

Personal experience

The host uses urine ketone strips for the first two weeks to check if his diet is in check, finding it easy and quick to see ketone production. He notes that he's producing ketones within a couple of days, sometimes even one day.

I all you just use regular keto strips, the ones you urinate on during the first two weeks, but after the first two weeks, uh you know, we know there's a little bit of the level of adaptation in the ketone strips, just as a caution, like those really measure excess ketones, right?

Also said
“But in the first two weeks, for me, it's all about is my diet in check? And I would rather just pee on a strip and make it easy.”— Highlights the practical benefit of urine strips for initial diet adherence.

Tracking Ketosis (Advanced Phase)

WhatMeasure blood ketone levels using a blood ketone meter for accurate assessment of ketosis.
WhenAfter the initial 2-week adaptation period, for ongoing monitoring.
DoseAim for blood ketone levels above 0.3 mmol/L, with 1.0 mmol/L being a good target for the first month.
For whomIndividuals seeking precise tracking of their ketogenic state, particularly after initial adaptation.
WhyBlood ketone levels (specifically beta-hydroxybutyrate) provide a more accurate and reliable measure of ketosis, especially as the body becomes more efficient at using ketones.
CaveatsThe 'magic number' for ketosis (0.5 mmol/L) is based on historical observations, not a strict threshold for specific effects. Higher ketone levels don't always equate to more fat burning; a range of 0.3-0.7 mmol/L might be optimal for body fat loss.

While urine strips are useful initially, blood ketone testing is the 'gold standard' for accurately tracking ketosis, especially after the first two weeks when the body becomes more efficient at using ketones. The speaker clarifies that the commonly cited 'magic number' of 0.5 mmol/L for ketosis was an observational threshold, not a strict requirement for specific benefits. He suggests that a more reliable distinguishing line between high-carb and ketogenic diets is a fasted morning blood ketone level above 0.3 mmol/L. For the first month, aiming for 1.0 mmol/L is a good target. He also notes that higher ketone levels don't always mean more body fat burning; some research suggests a 'gray area' of 0.3-0.7 mmol/L might be optimal for body composition changes, as excessively high ketones can create feedback loops that reduce actual fat burning. This is seen in protein-sparing modified fasts where fat intake is limited, leading to moderate ketone levels but significant fat loss.

Mechanism

Blood ketone meters measure beta-hydroxybutyrate (BHB), the primary ketone body circulating in the blood. Unlike urine strips which detect excess acetoacetate, blood BHB levels reflect the body's actual production and utilization of ketones. A level above 0.3 mmol/L reliably distinguishes individuals on a ketogenic diet from those on a high-carbohydrate diet. The body's efficiency in using ketones increases over time, meaning less is 'wasted' and excreted, making blood measurements more relevant.

Personal experience

The host aims for 1.0 mmol/L in the first month. He also notes that after a 3-day fast, his ketones don't typically go above 2.5 mmol/L, suggesting that extremely high levels aren't always necessary or achieved.

That's the the gold standard is testing your blood. But in the first two weeks, for me, it's all about is my diet in check?

Also said
“What I reliably see is in a fasted morning glucose finger prick or blood blood value in a laboratory setting that when individuals get above.3 millmer you don't see individuals on a high carbohydrate diet reliably overnight fast and first pricking their blood and testing their ketones will get usually don't get to.3 millmer but they certainly usually don't get above.3 millmer.”— Establishes a scientific threshold for distinguishing ketosis from non-ketosis.
“I was talking to Dr. on the Augustino about this just off record. And you know, we both agree and we both found that there's like this almost gray area of very low ketone state when you're probably burning the most actual body fat and you're getting like a uh um you know, body composition change. And that actually tends to sit in that like 0.3 to 0.7 range, right?”— Introduces the concept that optimal fat burning might occur at moderate, not extremely high, ketone levels.

Combined Resistance and Aerobic Exercise

WhatIncorporate both resistance training and aerobic exercise into your routine.
WhenConsistently, as part of a long-term health strategy.
DoseAt least 30 minutes daily, or as much as enjoyable and sustainable.
For whomAnyone seeking overall health benefits, including those on a ketogenic diet.
WhyBoth types of exercise offer distinct and complementary health benefits. Resistance training builds muscle and improves insulin sensitivity, while aerobic exercise supports cardiovascular health and offsets arterial stiffening from resistance training.
CaveatsWhile aerobic exercise may lead to higher ketone production, the primary goal should be holistic health. For beginners, simply doing *any* enjoyable activity is more important than optimizing for ketosis.

The speaker emphasizes the importance of combining both resistance and aerobic exercise for optimal overall health, rather than focusing solely on one type. Resistance training is highlighted for its role in building muscle and dramatically increasing insulin sensitivity, which are crucial for longevity and metabolic function. Aerobic exercise (e.g., running, walking, swimming) is essential for cardiovascular health. He explains that while resistance training can temporarily stiffen arterial walls due to high-pressure exertion, aerobic exercise completely counteracts this effect. Therefore, doing both types of exercise provides a more comprehensive and balanced approach to health. While aerobic exercise might lead to higher ketone production, the main takeaway is the synergistic health benefits of a combined approach. For those new to exercise, the most important thing is simply to engage in any physical activity they enjoy for at least 30 minutes a day, aiming for consistency (80% right, 7 days a week) over perfect but infrequent workouts.

Mechanism

Resistance exercise builds muscle mass, which is crucial for increasing insulin sensitivity and overall metabolic health. Aerobic exercise, such as running or swimming, is vital for cardiovascular health. Combining both is important because resistance training, due to high-pressure exertion, can temporarily stiffen arterial walls, an effect that aerobic exercise completely offsets. This synergistic approach ensures comprehensive benefits for longevity, function, and metabolic flexibility.

I think the greatest overall health benefits that someone could experience is doing a combination of both resistance exercise and aerobic exercise.

Also said
“Resistance exercise builds muscle. It has a dramatic increase in insulin sensitivity. Um, these are powerful and important effects for longevity, for overall health, for function, how you look in the mirror.”— Details the specific benefits of resistance training.
“We know that aerobic exercise alongside resistant exercise completely offsets that effect. And so I think that doing both is important.”— Explains the synergistic benefit of combining the two types of exercise.

What's new

Personal practice updates, fresh positions, predictions

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Ketogenic Diet for Mental Illness

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Emerging evidence suggests the ketogenic diet can lead to remission in some patients with serious mental illnesses like bipolar disorder, depression, and schizophrenia.

Why this matters: This expands the known therapeutic applications of the ketogenic diet beyond metabolic disorders to include significant mental health conditions, with 11 active clinical trials currently exploring this phenomenon.

Background

Historically, the ketogenic diet has been known for its efficacy in treating obesity, type 2 diabetes, and type 1 diabetes since 1796, and later for cognitive decline and Alzheimer's. This new evidence points to broader neurological benefits.

The speaker highlights that while preliminary, there are six to seven different reports indicating that some patients with serious mental illnesses such as bipolar disorder, depression, and schizophrenia can achieve remission on a ketogenic diet. This is a significant expansion of the diet's known therapeutic scope, which traditionally focused on metabolic conditions. The speaker notes that there are currently 11 active clinical trials underway to further investigate this phenomenon, suggesting a growing scientific interest in the ketogenic diet's potential for mental health.

In fact, there's 11 active clinical trials underway right now actually exploring this phenomenon of this dietary approach.

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“It can mitigate the symptoms of things like cognitive decline, Alzheimer's disease, Parkinson's. There's actually fascinating emerging evidence that shows that although it's preliminary, but up to six to seven different reports showing that some patients with serious mental illness like bipolar, depression, schizophrenia can actually go into remission on this diet.”— Provides specific examples of mental illnesses and the preliminary nature of the evidence.

Ketogenic Diet and Calorie Expenditure

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Lowering carbohydrates on a ketogenic diet can lead to increased energy expenditure, independent of calorie intake, suggesting that 'calories in, calories out' is an oversimplified model.

Why this matters: This challenges the conventional 'calories in, calories out' paradigm by suggesting that metabolic changes induced by diet composition can independently influence energy expenditure and weight loss.

Background

The traditional view of weight loss heavily relies on the 'calories in, calories out' model, implying that a calorie deficit is the sole determinant of weight loss. The speaker argues for a more nuanced understanding.

The speaker references a study by David Ludwig which showed that individuals on a ketogenic diet experienced an increased energy expenditure of 50 to 150 calories per day, even when calories were matched. This suggests that the metabolic shift caused by carbohydrate restriction, particularly the lowering of insulin, plays a role in energy expenditure beyond simple caloric intake. The speaker emphasizes that while calories are an important factor in a closed thermodynamic system, other variables, such as hormonal shifts (like those seen in menopause) and metabolic adaptations, significantly contribute to body weight and composition changes, making the 'calories in, calories out' model incomplete.

Personal experience

The host shares his personal experience of eating 700 calories more per day on a strict ketogenic diet (3400 calories vs 2600 previously) while losing 10 pounds in a month, despite lower activity levels. He attributes this to being 'keto adapted' and suggests his body is more efficient at fat burning.

That's a great question because we know that just by lowering carbohydrates on two different diets, one's lower in carbohydrates, one's higher in carbohydrates, that you can actually see changes in weight changes in weight and energy expenditure just by lowering carbohydrates alone.

Also said
“My diet before was about 2,600 calories per day. I'm eating 3,400 calories per day and I've lost almost 10 pounds in the last month and my activity is lower.”— Host's personal anecdote supporting the idea of increased energy expenditure on keto.
“Calories in, calories out. that it is you're defying physics by saying what you're saying and that there's some other explanation for that. However, we clearly know that there are factors independent of calories alone that facilitate, you know, things like body weight.”— Acknowledges the common scientific skepticism but asserts the existence of non-caloric factors.

Physiologic vs. Pathological Insulin Resistance

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The term 'physiologic insulin resistance' is misleading and should not be conflated with pathological insulin resistance (associated with type 2 diabetes). It describes a normal adaptation on a ketogenic diet where the body becomes less reliant on glucose, not a disease state.

Why this matters: Clarifies a common misconception that can cause unnecessary concern for individuals on ketogenic diets, distinguishing between a healthy metabolic adaptation and a disease state.

Background

Insulin resistance is generally understood as a negative health condition linked to type 2 diabetes, where cells fail to respond effectively to insulin, leading to high blood sugar. The speaker addresses how this term is sometimes misapplied in the context of ketogenic diets.

The speaker argues that 'physiologic insulin resistance' is a poor term because it creates confusion with the pathological insulin resistance seen in type 2 diabetes. In a ketogenic state, the body shifts its primary fuel source from glucose to fat and ketones. Consequently, cells become less reliant on glucose and the machinery for glucose metabolism is downregulated. If a person adapted to a ketogenic diet then consumes a large bolus of glucose (e.g., during an oral glucose tolerance test), their glucose uptake might appear slower, leading some to incorrectly label this as 'insulin resistance.' However, this is a normal and healthy adaptation to a fat-adapted state, not a disease. The speaker also points out that traditional glucose and insulin response tests were developed for high-carbohydrate diets and are not valid for assessing metabolic function in low-carbohydrate settings.

There's this other phenomenon called physiological insulin resistance where when you start to and I think it's probably a bad term uh to be honest with you. What is happening is that when individuals are becoming adapted to high levels of fat, when you consume an abundance of glucose, you may not see the same level of glucose uptake immediately into tissues.

Also said
“I don't like that comparison because I think insulin resistance to be seen for what it is which is a very bad pathological process that has consequences on cardiovascular health and and and beyond.”— Emphasizes the negative connotations of 'pathological insulin resistance' to differentiate it.
“Things like these like just buling back glucose levels or like you know oral glucose tolerance tests these aren't even valid tests on low carbohydrate diets because we know for over a hundred years uh that those tests were never valid within low carbohydrate based settings.”— Explains why standard glucose tests are inappropriate for keto-adapted individuals.

Ketogenic Diet as an 'Exercise Mimetic'

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The ketogenic diet offers significant health benefits even without exercise, acting somewhat like an 'exercise mimetic,' especially for individuals new to lifestyle changes.

Why this matters: This perspective suggests that the diet itself can initiate profound positive physiological changes, making it a powerful starting point for those who find combining diet and exercise overwhelming.

Background

It's commonly understood that both diet and exercise are crucial for health. However, the speaker posits that the ketogenic diet's impact is so strong that it can stand alone in initiating health improvements.

The speaker suggests that the ketogenic diet, due to its inherent metabolic shifts, can provide benefits akin to exercise, particularly for individuals who are metabolically dysfunctional or sedentary. While not a license to avoid exercise, the diet alone can lead to substantial improvements (up to 60% of the total potential improvement). The rationale is that the diet reduces inflammation and provides the brain with an alternative fuel source (ketones), leading to improved well-being and potentially a natural desire to become more active later. This approach prioritizes the most impactful lever (diet) first, especially for those facing significant lifestyle changes, rather than overwhelming them with both diet and exercise simultaneously.

The benefits of a ketogenic diet in the absence of exercise are still huge, right? That's it lends itself quite well to sedentary people that are already living a sedentary life because just the dietary shift alone, you don't have to change a whole lot else.

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“I'd almost rather it go that way where like it's their choice because they feel good rather than being like, 'Okay, I'm starting this diet. I'm starting the ketogenic diet. I need to exercise to produce ketones as much as possible.'”— Emphasizes intrinsic motivation for exercise after feeling better from the diet.
“Someone that has been inactive and is metabolically dysfunctional is going to see like 60% of the improvement just by getting on that diet first and then, you know, if exercise comes later, then hell yeah.”— Quantifies the significant impact of diet alone for metabolically dysfunctional individuals.

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Exogenous Ketones (General)

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Useful for specific purposes like extending the benefits of low-carb periods, enhancing cognitive function, or boosting performance in certain high-intensity workouts.

Exogenous ketones are seen as a valuable tool for specific applications rather than a daily staple for everyone on a ketogenic diet. The primary use highlighted is to extend the benefits of periodic fasts or low-carb periods, allowing individuals to maintain some ketogenic advantages even when taking a break from strict dietary adherence. They are particularly noted for their powerful effects on brain function, improving cognition and potentially aiding in conditions like TBI, bipolar disorder, and schizophrenia. For athletes, exogenous ketones, especially when combined with a small amount of glucose, can provide a 'super physiological state' that enhances performance in 'metabolic purgatory' type workouts (e.g., CrossFit, high upper aerobic efforts) where both fuel sources are beneficial. The speaker emphasizes that they are not a 'magic bullet' but a tool for deliberate purposes, especially when seeking a cognitive or performance edge.

Personal experience

The host uses them almost exclusively for additional cognitive load or function, and for performance in specific workouts (e.g., CrossFit) when combined with glucose. He also states that they have 'rescued me from very depressed states before.'

I would probably say the number one use of exogenous ketones um for me is to and this is uh you know it also confirmed by Don Dustinino last week when we were talking about like the best way to use these is when you're doing let's say periodic fasts or periodic bouts of very low carb. It allows you to sort of extend the benefits of that low carb diet beyond just the state of that low carb diet.

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“I almost exclusively use them with the exception of what I just mentioned before, if I'm just looking for additional cognitive load or if or cognitive function, right?”— Clarifies personal use cases for cognitive enhancement.
“I will honestly go on record and say that out of everything that I've ever used minus maybe like minus like ketamine in a controlled situation, exogenous ketones have rescued me from very depressed states before.”— Powerful personal anecdote about mood-lifting effects.
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Ketone-1,3-Butanediol (e.g., Ketone IQ)

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A specific type of ketone formulation (1,3-butanediol combined with beta-hydroxybutyrate) studied for cognitive enhancement and oxygen uptake, particularly in hypoxic environments.

The speaker discusses specific research conducted with the Department of Defense using a ketone formulation that combines 1,3-butanediol with beta-hydroxybutyrate (BHB), now known as Ketone IQ. This molecule is digested, breaking off BHB and converting the butanediol into a ketone body in the liver. Studies showed that in hypoxic settings (like high altitude, 15,000-20,000 ft), this formulation not only enhanced oxygen uptake but also improved cognition and vigilance (sustained attention). The speaker also notes personal use for managing hypoglycemia in type 1 diabetes, where combining glucose with a ketone body can enhance cognition and faster recovery from low brain energy states. This highlights its utility beyond general ketosis, for specific physiological challenges and cognitive demands.

Personal experience

The speaker, who has type 1 diabetes, uses ketone bodies to rescue hypoglycemia, finding that combining glucose with a ketone body enhances cognition and speeds recovery from low brain energy states.

We were utilizing a molecule with 13butane dial and also uh combined with beta hydroxybutyrate combined together. And when you ingest that you break off the beta hydroxybutyrate and dial is digested into a ketone body in the liver.

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“And what we found is in hypoxic settings that we found that those molecules not only enhanced oxygen uptake but also um appeared not appeared but actually also improved cognition at the same time and this was at 15,000 ft and 20,000 ft altitude.”— Details specific research findings on cognitive and physiological benefits in extreme conditions.
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Dietary Flexibility and Phased Approach

Practice

Encourages individuals to cycle through different dietary phases (e.g., ketogenic, fasting, reintroducing calories) to promote metabolic flexibility and tap into powerful cellular effects.

The speaker emphasizes the importance of dietary flexibility and a phased approach, rather than maintaining a static nutritional pattern. He suggests that periodically reducing carbohydrates, or engaging in fasting, forces the body to utilize alternative fuel sources and challenges cellular processes, particularly at the mitochondrial level. This 'flexing' between nutrient sources is crucial for metabolic flexibility, a characteristic often seen in athletes and associated with greater health benefits. He references Walter Longo's work on fasting-mimicking diets, which show powerful effects on stem cell function and even potential benefits in cancer treatment. The core idea is to avoid being 'stuck' in a single nutrient path, allowing the body to adapt and optimize its fuel utilization machinery.

vs alternatives

Contrasts with a static, habitual high-carbohydrate diet.

I think it's important for people to get out of just a a static just a a static nutrient nutrient nutrient path and and allow your body to be forced to flex into other forms of nutrients.

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“One of the reasons we think that athletes uh experience, you know, greater health benefits is people talk about metabolic flexibility. What are they talking about? You know, they're they really talking about mitochondrial ability to flex between fuel substrates.”— Connects dietary flexibility to metabolic flexibility and athletic benefits.
“I think it's particularly important for people to important for people to important for people to force their way out of that um to to be forced into utilizing alternative substrates um to in essence challenge the body a lot like an exercise bout challenges the body at least for a short window of time.”— Compares dietary challenges to exercise challenges for metabolic health.
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Element Electrolytes

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Recommended for mitigating electrolyte imbalances during fasting, caloric restriction, or the initial phase of a ketogenic diet.

DisclosureThe host provides a link for Element electrolytes, stating it gets you a free sample variety pack with any purchase.

Element electrolytes are recommended as a crucial supplement, particularly during periods of fasting, caloric restriction, or the initial adaptation phase of a ketogenic diet. The host highlights its high sodium content (1000mg) as effective for curbing appetite. He emphasizes that electrolyte imbalances are a common pitfall in the early stages of keto, leading to symptoms like fatigue and cognitive fogginess. Element helps to replenish lost sodium and other minerals, which are excreted more rapidly when insulin levels drop due to carbohydrate restriction. The host has personally used it for 7 years and considers it a 'game changer' for managing these symptoms.

vs alternatives

Implied as a better alternative to diet sodas for calorie reduction and electrolyte balance.

Personal experience

The host has been using Element for 7 years when fasting or reducing calories and finds it a 'game changer' for curbing appetite.

I recommend having like some salt or some salty electrolytes. I put a link down below for the ones that I use. Helps a ton when you're fasting or you're calorically deprived or you're trying to just reduce calories in general. So that is called Element and that link gets you a free sample variety pack with any purchase.

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“I'm telling you, with 1,000 milligs of sodium, it does curb your appetite. I can say firsthand, I've been using it for 7 years, like when I fast or when I'm reducing calories, game changer.”— Details the specific benefit (appetite curbing) and personal long-term use.
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Notable quotes

Lines worth pulling out — contrarian, specific, or perfectly phrased

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Nine out of 10 adults in that room will have some form of metabolic derangement.
Highlights the widespread prevalence of metabolic health issues in modern society, underscoring the relevance of dietary interventions like keto.
You can't outrun a bad diet. And it's just one of the oldest cliches. Um a little controversial cliche, but it's actually evidence-based. It's completely true.
Affirms a common health adage with scientific backing, emphasizing the primacy of diet over exercise for body composition.
I think that ketogenic processed foods are even more dangerous because they're going to be calorically dense because they're more operative on fat, right?
Offers a contrarian and specific warning about 'keto-friendly' processed foods, arguing they can be more detrimental than traditional processed foods due to their high caloric density.
I will honestly go on record and say that out of everything that I've ever used minus maybe like minus like ketamine in a controlled situation, exogenous ketones have rescued me from very depressed states before.
A very strong personal endorsement of exogenous ketones for mood, comparing their effect to a powerful pharmaceutical in a controlled setting.
The reality is that and I always say this. So Tom, you know, a lot of times when we talk about you know ketogenic diet and and how you implement them, the changes that happen over time, uh what do you need to do to do this diet successfully, what do you track, uh what do you expect to see happening over time? One of the important things is is talking about what we see in science and because science is one of the best tools we have to really try to understand how the world works in the best way possible. It doesn't give us all the answers, but it's the best tool we have to try to explain the world around us.
A philosophical statement on the role and limitations of science, emphasizing its utility as a tool for understanding while acknowledging individual variability.
The best way to determine whether something works or not is to number one try it and number two believe the results you got because if you respond well to it, you shouldn't just look at this study over here that we have that says okay that the response you you got wasn't supposed to happen to you. No, it happened to you. And don't just continue to do something that may not be working for you just because a study said it should be working for you.
Empowers the individual to trust their own experience and bio-individuality over generalized scientific averages, promoting a personalized approach to health.

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