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This New LDL Study Will Change Medicine
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This New LDL Study Will Change Medicine

Mike Mutzel
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TL;DR

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TL;DR

The four things you'd lose by not watching

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A 1-year prospective study of 100 lean, metabolically healthy people with very high LDL (mean 254 mg/dL) and APOB (mean 185 mg/dL) found no link between LDL/APOB levels and coronary plaque progression; the only predictor of worsening plaque was having baseline plaque.

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Six of the 100 participants actually had coronary plaque regression over the year, challenging the idea that high LDL inevitably drives plaque growth.

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The metabolic context — insulin resistance, hypertension, sleep-disordered breathing, oxidative stress — determines whether LDL becomes atherogenic, not the LDL number alone.

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Actionable take-home: Optimize metabolic health with daily walking (10‑12k steps), sleep consistency, stress management, avoiding processed foods, prioritizing protein and healthy fats, and monitoring morning blood pressure.

Protocols

Concrete recipes — what, when, how much, and why

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Daily walking (10,000–12,000 steps)

WhatGet 10,000 to 12,000 steps per day through walking.
WhenDaily, as a consistent lifestyle habit.
Dose10,000–12,000 steps per day.
For whomEveryone, especially people with high LDL who want to maintain a favorable metabolic context.
WhyImproves insulin sensitivity and overall metabolic health, lowering the risk that LDL becomes atherogenic.

Mike Mutzel emphasizes walking as the most fundamental, accessible daily practice for metabolic health. He positions it as one of the pillars — along with sleep, stress management, and diet — that keep the metabolic milieu from turning LDL into a dangerous particle. He doesn’t get into detailed biological pathways, but the implication is that everyday movement keeps insulin sensitivity high and inflammation low, which is critical for the Lean Mass Hyper‑Responder population to stay plaque‑free.

Mechanism

Walking is a low‑intensity, continuous activity that reduces post‑meal glucose and insulin spikes, enhances GLUT4 translocation in muscle, and improves endothelial function. Over time, it lowers systemic inflammation and helps maintain a lean phenotype, all of which discourage LDL oxidation and vascular dysfunction.

Walking 10 to 12,000 steps per day.

Consistent sleep-wake schedule

WhatGo to bed and wake up at the same time every day.
WhenEvery day, including weekends.
DoseSame bedtime and wake time; aim for adequate sleep (likely 7–9 hours, though not explicitly stated).
For whomAll individuals, particularly those with high LDL or a family history of heart disease.
WhySupports circadian rhythm stability, reduces cortisol and sympathetic overdrive, and may mitigate sleep‑disordered breathing and its metabolic consequences.

Mike lists this sleep hygiene practice alongside walking and stress reduction as a core tactic for metabolic health. He doesn’t provide a long justification, but the context is that poor sleep quality and irregular schedules are common in modern life and are known promoters of insulin resistance and hypertension. By stabilizing sleep, one helps maintain the optimal metabolic environment where high LDL is less likely to cause plaque.

Mechanism

Circadian disruption increases inflammatory cytokines, promotes insulin resistance, and elevates nocturnal blood pressure. Mike specifically mentions sleep‑disordered breathing as a factor that can make LDL more atherogenic. Consistent timing helps entrain the circadian clock, reducing these risk factors.

Making sure you're going to bed and waking up at the same time every day.

Grounding and breathwork for stress reduction

WhatEngage in grounding practices (likely earthing or mindfulness) and breathwork/stress reduction exercises.
WhenDaily, as part of a routine.
DoseNot specified; presumably a few minutes daily.
For whomAnyone experiencing high stress or seeking to optimize metabolic health.
WhyReduces sympathetic nervous system activation and oxidative stress, which are components of the metabolic environment that can make LDL atherogenic.

Mike groups grounding and breathwork with other lifestyle tactics as part of metabolic optimization. While he doesn’t expand on the mechanism, he draws a direct line: stress reduction lowers oxidative stress and high‑sympathetic‑drive states that otherwise make LDL particles more prone to oxidation and artery wall deposition. This is one of the many non‑pharmacological ways people can create a protective context even with high LDL.

Mechanism

Activating the parasympathetic nervous system lowers cortisol and catecholamines, reducing blood pressure and inflammatory tone. Breathwork can improve heart rate variability and endothelial function. This contributes to a more favorable metabolic milieu for LDL.

Doing some sort of grounding, some breath work and stress reduction practices.

Avoid processed carbohydrates, junk food, and sugar-sweetened beverages

WhatEliminate or drastically reduce processed carbs, junk food, sugary drinks, and baked goods.
WhenOngoing dietary strategy.
DoseComplete removal advised — ‘not eating’ them.
For whomEveryone, but especially those with high LDL or metabolic syndrome.
WhyThese foods spike blood glucose, insulin, and triglycerides, driving insulin resistance and creating a pro‑atherogenic metabolic environment where LDL can cause plaque.

Mike is adamant that avoiding processed carbohydrates is central to metabolic health. He explains that these foods lead to glucose and insulin spikes, which in turn increase triglycerides — a signature of the metabolic derangement that drives atherogenesis. For the LMHR phenotype, characterized by low triglycerides and high HDL, this dietary foundation is what maintains the safe metabolic context. He contrasts that with the standard American diet, which produces a highly insulin‑resistant, inflammatory state where LDL becomes truly dangerous.

Mechanism

Refined carbohydrates and sugar cause rapid post‑prandial hyperglycemia and hyperinsulinemia, promoting hepatic de novo lipogenesis, elevating triglycerides, and generating small dense LDL particles (a sub‑fraction absent in LMHR). Chronic hyperinsulinemia also induces endothelial dysfunction, increases oxidative stress, and promotes glycation of LDL, making it more atherogenic. By cutting them out, one maintains low insulin, low triglycerides, and a favorable LDL size pattern.

not eating processed carbohydrates and processed junk food and sugar sweetened beverages and baked goods because those will increase your blood glucose, increase your blood insulin, increase your blood triglycerides, and that can be problematic.

Protein‑ and healthy‑fat‑centric omnivorous diet

WhatPrioritize high‑quality protein and healthy fats in an omnivorous eating pattern.
WhenWith every meal, as a core dietary framework.
DoseNo specific macros given; emphasis on quality sources (e.g., wild venison, other whole foods).
For whomPeople following a low‑carb or metabolically healthy lifestyle, particularly lean mass hyper‑responders.
WhySupports metabolic health, maintains muscle mass, and keeps triglycerides low and HDL high, which is associated with protection against plaque progression.

Mike frames the diet as the nutritional cornerstone of metabolic health. He specifically recommends an omnivorous style — not exclusively carnivore — and mentions prioritizing protein. He promotes his sponsor, Maui Nui Venison, as an example of nutrient‑dense, wild‑harvested red meat that fits this pattern. The deeper argument is that for LMHR, the diet produces high LDL but also high HDL and very low triglycerides, and that this triad, when coupled with leanness and insulin sensitivity, is not atherogenic. The dietary pattern thus directly sustains the very metabolic context that the study found rendered high LDL harmless.

Mechanism

Adequate protein and fat intake with carbohydrate restriction keeps insulin low and promotes lipid profiles of large, buoyant LDL and high HDL. Healthy fats (monounsaturated, saturated from whole foods) and protein have minimal impact on blood glucose and insulin compared to carbohydrates. This maintains the metabolic condition that the keto CTA study associates with non‑progression of plaque.

Personal experience

Mike shares that he brings Maui Nui venison sticks with him when traveling with his daughter to track and cross‑country events, highlighting the convenience and nutrient density of this protein source.

prioritizing protein, having healthy fats, and having an omnivorous style diet are going to be the best tactics that can help to optimize metabolic health.

Also said
“I can promise you, you will not be disappointed. This stuff tastes amazing and it's really, really good for you.”— A personal testimonial about the specific venison product that embodies the diet recommendation.

Monitor morning blood pressure

WhatCheck your blood pressure first thing in the morning, using a validated home monitor and tracking app.
WhenEvery morning, upon waking, before food or coffee.
DoseDaily measurement, ideally tracking trends over time.
For whomAnyone with high LDL, a family history of heart disease, or concerned about metabolic health.
WhyUndiagnosed or untreated hypertension can make LDL more atherogenic; morning readings provide insight into overnight sympathetic tone and overall vascular health.
CaveatsUse a reliable cuff and consistent protocol; single readings are less informative than trends.

Mike sees morning BP measurement as a low‑cost, high‑yield practice for people worried about high LDL. He recommends the free Connect app (no financial affiliation) to log and trend readings. The reasoning is that many people with elevated LDL are told they are at high CVD risk, but if their blood pressure is optimal and they show no signs of insulin resistance, the risk is likely much lower. Catching early morning hypertension — often missed in clinic — allows intervention and removes a key pro‑atherogenic stimulus from the arterial wall.

Mechanism

Elevated blood pressure causes shear stress on the endothelium, promoting LDL particle retention and oxidation in the artery wall. Morning hypertension is particularly linked to sympathetic overactivity and sleep‑disordered breathing, both of which Mike mentioned as risk factors for atherogenesis independent of LDL levels. Monitoring helps detect silent hypertension so it can be addressed via lifestyle or medication.

Personal experience

Mike says he recommends this practice and uses the Connect app himself, stating he has no financial affiliation.

I do recommend testing your morning blood pressure. I recommend the the connect app. I put a link in the description below. No financial affiliation.

Also said
“We should be figuring out, well, who has plaque and who doesn't?”— Frames blood pressure monitoring as part of a broader puzzle to identify who is actually at risk beyond LDL.

What's new

Personal practice updates, fresh positions, predictions

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In the keto CTA trial, 100 lean, metabolically healthy adults with LDL averaging 254 mg/dL and APOB 185 mg/dL were followed for over a year. LDL/APOB levels did not correlate with coronary artery plaque progression — only the presence of pre‑existing plaque predicted worsening.

Why this matters: This directly contradicts the mainstream belief that higher LDL/APOB always drives plaque accumulation, regardless of metabolic health. It forces clinicians to reconsider when to medicate isolated high LDL.

Background

For decades, LDL and APOB have been considered causal agents in atherosclerotic plaque development. Guidelines uniformly recommend lowering LDL, especially when markedly elevated. Dave Feldman and the lean mass hyper‑responder (LMHR) community have argued anecdotally that healthy people with very high LDL can have clean arteries, but long‑term prospective data were missing.

The study, titled “Plaque begets plaque, APOB does not: longitudinal data from the keto CTA trial,” enrolled 100 people who fit the LMHR phenotype: LDL >190 mg/dL, HDL >80 mg/dL, triglycerides <70 mg/dL, and a low BMI (median 22.5). Over one year, the degree of coronary artery plaque change — measured by coronary CT angiogram — showed no significant association with LDL or APOB levels. In fact, the only independent predictor of plaque progression was the baseline plaque burden itself. This means that an individual’s starting plaque load, not the amount of circulating APOB‑containing lipoproteins, drove further accumulation. The mean LDL was extremely high (254 mg/dL) and APOB was 185 mg/dL, levels that would trigger statin therapy in almost any standard protocol. Yet over the year, plaque did not worsen in lockstep with these numbers. Mike Mutzel emphasizes that this should prompt mainstream doctors to move from a “high LDL equals treat” reflex to a more nuanced assessment of metabolic health. He notes that the Miami Heart cohort data had already hinted that matched LMHR individuals with high LDL did not have more plaque than those with low LDL, and now this prospective arm confirms it.

what actually was linked or predicted the degree of coronary artery progression was having the presence of plaque to begin with. That was it.

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“the mean LDL concentration was 254 milligs per deciliter. The mean apo B concentration was 185 milligs per deciliter which is quite high. While the HCL in this cohort, the mean HDL out of these 100 people that were followed for over a year was 89 milligs per deciliter, yet triglycerides were low, 67 mg per deciliter.”— Quantitative data showing the extreme lipid profile of the cohort, reinforcing that these people had very high LDL yet no association with plaque progression.
“six of the 100 people had a regression of their coronary artery CT andogram plaque score.”— Reveals that not only was there no association with worsening, but some people actually reversed plaque despite sky‑high LDL, further challenging the lipid‑centric model.

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The strongest independent predictor of coronary plaque progression in this cohort was the amount of plaque already present at baseline, not LDL or APOB levels.

Why this matters: It reframes the progression of atherosclerosis: once plaque is established, the disease can self‑propagate even in the absence of a strong lipid risk factor, which shifts the focus toward detecting early disease and addressing other drivers like blood pressure and inflammation.

Background

Traditionally, the lipid hypothesis would expect that higher LDL concentrations should drive faster plaque growth. However, observational studies have shown that baseline calcium score is a powerful predictor of future events; this study now confirms that in a prospective, high-LDL but metabolically healthy group, the baseline plaque burden itself — not the prevailing LDL — is what predicts further accumulation.

Mike Mutzel explains that the data suggest a “plaque begets plaque” phenomenon. The presence of atherosclerotic plaque may create a local environment (possibly through inflammation, disturbed flow, or altered endothelial function) that promotes more plaque formation irrespective of circulating LDL levels. He points to the Miami Heart cohort analysis, which similarly found that baseline coronary artery calcium was the primary driver of change over time, not the apo B level. This means someone with a zero or very low calcium score and high LDL might have a very different risk trajectory than someone with a high calcium score and even moderate LDL. It also underscores the importance of preventive imaging in personalized risk assessment, rather than treating a lab number in isolation. Mike mentions that this finding forces us to ask: why did the plaque get there in the first place? He posits that drivers might have been earlier-life insulin resistance, sleep-disordered breathing, hypertension, or oxidative stress — and that the ongoing metabolic environment determines whether existing plaque becomes problematic, rather than solely the LDL count.

the baseline coronary artery calcium score was the strongest independent factor that predicted increased plaque accumulation over the course of this one-year perspective study.

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“how did the plaque get there in the first place? It must have been the oxidation of LDL and Apo B containing lipoproteins possibly. Or it could be sleep disordered breathing. It could be insulin resistance. It could have been undiagnosed hypertension, right? Or blood viscosity.”— Mike lists alternative contributing factors that could explain why plaque formed initially, even if current LDL is not driving progression.

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Six out of 100 participants showed a decrease in total plaque score over the year, despite having very high LDL and not taking cholesterol-lowering drugs.

Why this matters: Plaque regression was thought to require aggressive LDL lowering (e.g., with statins or PCSK9 inhibitors). Seeing regression in people with LDL >250 mg/dL challenges the assumption that only low LDL enables reversal.

Background

In landmark trials like ASTEROID and SATURN, plaque regression was achieved only when LDL was driven to very low levels (below ~70 mg/dL) with intensive statin therapy. The keto CTA observation, albeit small, suggests that a metabolically healthy state may allow regression even at extremely high LDL levels.

Mike flags that six of the 100 participants experienced a net reduction in total plaque volume over the 12 months. None were on lipid-lowering medication; they were simply following a low-carb or ketogenic diet and maintaining a lean, metabolically healthy phenotype. While the absolute change is modest, it raises the possibility that metabolic milieu (low insulin, normal blood pressure, low oxidative stress) may be a more potent determinant of plaque dynamics than LDL concentration. He speculates that the environment in which the LDL particle lives — free of high glucose, high insulin, and excess oxidative stress — could render LDL less susceptible to modification and deposition, and may even allow the artery wall to repair itself. He doesn't claim this proves causality, but he finds it hugely interesting and hopes it stimulates further research. The regression cases give hope to the many LMHR individuals who have been told by their doctors that they are on a rapid path to a heart attack.

six of the 100 people had a regression of their coronary artery CT andogram plaque score

metabolic-context-determines-ldl-atherogenicity

LDL is not inherently atherogenic; whether it causes plaque depends on the metabolic environment — insulin resistance, hypertension, sleep apnea, oxidative stress — making it more likely to become oxidized and incorporated into artery walls.

Why this matters: This shifts the clinical focus from LDL‑centric drug treatment to comprehensive metabolic health optimization, which is not the standard of care in most primary care settings.

Background

The idea that LDL must be modified (e.g., oxidized) to become atherogenic has been around for decades, but clinical guidelines rarely factor in detailed metabolic phenotyping when deciding to treat hypercholesterolemia. Mike argues that the standard “if LDL high, then statin” protocol ignores the possibility that many people with high LDL — especially those with low triglycerides and high HDL — may have LDL particles that are large, buoyant, and resistant to oxidation.

Mike explains that LDL is essential for life — it transports coenzyme Q10, vitamin K, fat‑soluble vitamins, and cholesterol for hormone and cell membrane synthesis. The problem arises in a pro‑inflammatory, pro‑oxidant metabolic state. He notes that factors associated with insulin resistance (elevated glucose, hyperinsulinemia, high triglycerides) and hypertension can render LDL particles more susceptible to glycation and oxidation, which is what makes them deposit in the arterial wall. Sleep‑disordered breathing, which spikes sympathetic tone and oxidative stress, can also prime LDL particles for atherogenicity. He highlights that one should measure morning blood pressure, watch for snoring/apnea, and assess insulin sensitivity markers (fasting insulin, HOMA‑IR) instead of fixating solely on LDL. This view aligns with the “lipid quality over quantity” perspective: a lean, normotensive, insulin‑sensitive person with LDL 250 is in a vastly different risk category than an insulin‑resistant, hypertensive individual with LDL 150. Mike believes this is a profound insight that will take time for mainstream doctors to accept due to reimbursement pressures, appointment time limits, and reliance on simple algorithmic protocols.

it turns out that the environment, the metabolic environment, whether or not you're insulin resistant, whether or not you have high levels of oxidative stress and beyond. And so in people who have low visceral fat, low body fat in general and optimal metabolic health, it seems that that metabolic millu is not predisposing LDL to cause the athoscolotic plaque

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“you know LDL is we all have LDL, right? You can't just completely obliterate LDL because you you need these lipoproteins to transport co-enzyme Q10, vitamin K, fats, soluble vitamins, nutrients, cholesterol.”— Explains the essential physiological role of LDL, countering the idea that it is purely a villain.
“factors associated with insulin resistance and possibly hypertension and sleep disordered breathing can make LDL more agenic”— Reinforces the specific metabolic disruptors that convert LDL from friend to foe.

Recommendations

Products, supplements, and tools mentioned in the episode

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Watch Nick Norwitz’s video on the keto CTA study

Practice

Mike urges viewers to watch Nick Norwitz’s video about the same study to get a deeper dive and to share the research widely.

Nick Norwitz is a science communicator and PhD researcher heavily involved in low-carb and metabolic health research, and a co-author of the keto CTA trial. His video likely provides additional scientific detail and nuance. Mike believes the message needs to be disseminated to counteract mainstream doctors who scare metabolically healthy low-carb patients into stopping their diet because of high LDL. By recommending this video, he is essentially promoting a resource that arms patients with knowledge to have informed conversations with their healthcare providers.

I would very much appreciate if you share this video and then also watch Nick Norwood's video uh about this study. Share this study. We need to get this message out there

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Maui Nui Venison

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Mike recommends Maui Nui Venison as the healthiest and best-tasting red meat, emphasizing its wild-harvested, nutrient-dense quality, suitable for a metabolically healthy diet.

DisclosureSponsor of the video; Mike thanks them and provides a discount link.

Maui Nui Venison is a brand offering wild-harvested axis deer meat from Hawaii, including snacks, fresh cuts, bone broth, and breakfast links. Mike highlights the venison sticks that include organ meats (heart, kidney, liver) along with pure venison, making them convenient and nutrient-dense for on-the-go use. He personally takes them while traveling with his daughter to track meets, valuing their taste and superior nutritional profile compared to typical airport or convenience store snacks. The product aligns with his overarching message of prioritizing protein and healthy fats while avoiding processed foods.

vs alternatives

Way better than anything you’re going to get at an airport or a convenience store.

Personal experience

Mike says he takes the venison sticks on the road with his daughter for track and cross-country events because they are convenient, taste great, and are packed with glands and organs.

This venison tastes amazing with no gy taste at all. From snacks to fresh cuts, bone broth and breakfast links, every bite is absolutely delicious and convenient.

Also said
“I can promise you, you will not be disappointed. This stuff tastes amazing and it's really, really good for you.”— Personal endorsement emphasizing quality and health benefits.
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Connect app (blood pressure tracking)

Tool Sponsored · disclosed

Recommended for logging and tracking morning blood pressure readings to help individuals monitor their cardiovascular health.

DisclosureMike states he has no financial affiliation with the app.

Mike suggests using the Connect app as a digital tool to record daily morning blood pressure measurements, which he considers essential for evaluating the metabolic environment that could make LDL atherogenic. He explicitly notes he receives no compensation for recommending it, reinforcing that the endorsement is based on utility, not sponsorship. The app likely allows users to store, graph, and share BP data, aiding in early detection of hypertension and better discussions with healthcare providers.

Personal experience

Mike says he personally recommends and uses the Connect app to track morning blood pressure.

I recommend the the connect app. I put a link in the description below. No financial affiliation.

Find Connect

Notable quotes

Lines worth pulling out — contrarian, specific, or perfectly phrased

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what actually was linked or predicted the degree of coronary artery progression was having the presence of plaque to begin with. That was it.
Succinctly encapsulates the study’s most paradigm‑challenging finding: plaque begets plaque, not LDL per se.
why would I change? Like you you didn't say anything to me when my LDL was 100 milligrams per deciliter, but I was, you know, 25 30% body fat, right? Eating Cheetos. So why are you telling me to change things now when I've lost weight, I feel better, and and so forth.
Brings home the frustration of patients whose health visibly improved yet are told to stop their diet because of a lab number, highlighting the absurdity of context-blind protocols.
the context in which LDL is elevated will determine the degree to which LDL or Apo B containing lipoproteins are initiating or progressing the coronary artery plaque
Mike’s central thesis — a direct challenge to the universal “LDL is harmful” mantra, emphasizing metabolic context as the determinant.
you know LDL is we all have LDL, right? You can't just completely obliterate LDL because you you need these lipoproteins to transport co-enzyme Q10, vitamin K, fats, soluble vitamins, nutrients, cholesterol.
A sharp reminder that LDL is an essential physiological particle, not a toxin, and that blanket suppression can have unintended consequences.

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