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357 ‒ A new era of longevity science: models of aging, rapamycin trials, biological clocks, & more
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357 ‒ A new era of longevity science: models of aging, rapamycin trials, biological clocks, & more

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TL;DR

The four things you'd lose by not watching

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TL;DR

The four things you'd lose by not watching

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Brian Kennedy argues that aging is not a set of independent hallmarks but a network phenomenon where maintaining homeostatic resilience is key; current interventions like rapamycin and AKG likely only modulate the oscillating component of biological age, not the underlying linear damage accumulation.

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A 6-month human trial in Singapore is testing 5 mg once-weekly rapamycin in 40–60 year olds, measuring inflammatory cytokines, epigenetic clocks, and functional outcomes — but Kennedy is skeptical that functional measures will shift in such a short, young cohort.

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Kennedy’s team has developed a clinical chemistry clock from NHANES data that predicts mortality better than methylation clocks and is actionable because it uses standard lab parameters; it reveals that treating subclinical abnormalities aggressively may lower biological age.

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He personally experienced a dramatic improvement in running performance when combining time-release alpha-ketoglutarate (AKG) with a sublingual NAD+ plus epigenin product, and now uses himself as an n-of-1 model to test longevity interventions.

Protocols

Concrete recipes — what, when, how much, and why

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Once-weekly rapamycin for longevity

WhatTake 5 mg of rapamycin (sirolimus) once per week, allowing trough levels to drop between doses.
WhenOnce weekly; avoid intense exercise within 24 hours of dosing, but training 3–4 days later may feel enhanced.
Dose5 mg once weekly (as used in the Singapore trial).
For whomAdults aged 40–60 interested in geroprotection, after informed discussion of risks and uncertainties. Kennedy notes only ~10% of Attia's patients choose it after counseling.
WhyIntermittent dosing dampens baseline mTOR signaling that creeps up with age, restoring dynamic range without causing immunosuppression. Chronic mTOR elevation drives inflammation and loss of homeostasis.
CaveatsNot immunosuppressive at this dose/schedule, but long-term safety in healthy humans is unproven. May impair acute exercise performance within 24 hours. Muscle effects are complex; without exercise, impact on skeletal muscle is unclear.

Kennedy's lab was among the first to show that baseline mTOR signaling creeps up with age in stem cells, preventing the pathway from turning off properly. This feeds a vicious cycle with chronic inflammation. Rapamycin, discovered as an antifungal on Easter Island, became an immunosuppressant at high continuous doses for organ transplant. However, at low intermittent doses (once weekly), it does not suppress immunity and may even enhance immune function against respiratory infections, as suggested by Mannick and Klickstein's work. Kennedy considers rapamycin the gold-standard small molecule for aging, with the strongest evidence across species. The Singapore trial is testing whether 6 months of 5 mg weekly rapamycin can shift biomarkers in healthy 40–60 year olds. Kennedy is skeptical that functional measures like DEXA or cognition will change in such a short, young cohort, but hopes to see signals in inflammatory cytokines and epigenetic clocks.

Mechanism

Rapamycin inhibits mTOR complex 1, a nutrient-sensing kinase that promotes protein translation and cell growth. With aging, baseline mTOR activity rises, causing chronic inflammation and reduced autophagy. Intermittent rapamycin lowers that baseline, restoring the youthful dynamic range where mTOR is off most of the time but can be activated when needed (e.g., after a meal or injury). This reduces inflammatory cytokines, enhances autophagy, and shifts protein translation patterns.

Personal experience

I take rapamycin. I've noticed that if I do a hard run within 24 hours of taking it, I don't have good runs. But three or four days after, I have really good training. I think what's happening is that maybe in that short window after you take it, you can't activate the pathway enough, but in the long term, you're dampening the basal signaling and getting better dynamic range.

I think at the levels that people are taking it for longevity, which is once a week, let the trough levels come down. Um, and I don't think we're seeing immune suppression in that context, at least not above background.

Also said
“One of the things we were one of the earliest people to publish was that what's happening during aging is that baseline levels of mtor are creeping up. You can't turn the pathway off.”— Explains the rationale for intermittent dosing.
“I still think rapamy is the gold standard for a small molecule impacting aging. At the end of the day, it may not be the best, but right now I think the evidence is still the best.”— Positions rapamycin relative to other interventions.

Time-release alpha-ketoglutarate (AKG) supplementation

WhatTake a time-release formulation of alpha-ketoglutarate (AKG), optionally combined with vitamin A (for males) and vitamin D (for both sexes).
WhenDaily, as part of a morning supplement routine.
DoseNot specified; the product 'Rejuvenate' contains time-release AKG plus vitamins. Kennedy takes it daily.
For whomAdults interested in healthspan extension; Kennedy takes it himself.
WhyAKG is a central TCA cycle metabolite that declines with age. Supplementation in mice extends lifespan 5–10% and dramatically reduces frailty, squaring the longevity curve. Human data are pending but a placebo-controlled trial has been completed.
CaveatsTime-release formulation is critical because regular AKG is cleared in minutes. The human trial tested AKG alone without vitamins to avoid confounders; the full product includes vitamins A, D, and B complex. Effects may be sex-specific (vitamin A benefit seen only in male mice).

Kennedy's group screened natural products for lifespan extension in worms and mice, leading to AKG as a top hit. In mice, time-release AKG gave a 5–10% lifespan increase but a much larger reduction in frailty, effectively squaring the longevity curve. A human trial of time-release AKG alone (without vitamins) has been completed in Singapore, with results pending. An earlier uncontrolled community-based study using methylation clocks suggested a reversal of biological age by a few years, but Kennedy emphasizes the limitations of that data. He personally takes the full Rejuvenate product (AKG + vitamins) and has done so for years. He notes that when combined with sublingual NAD+, he experiences a marked exercise performance boost.

Mechanism

AKG is a central metabolite in the Krebs cycle, involved in hundreds of reactions including energy production, amino acid synthesis, and epigenetic regulation. Levels decline with age. Supplementation may restore metabolic flexibility and improve mitochondrial function, though the exact geroprotective mechanism is unknown. In mice, it reduces frailty and extends lifespan, with additive effects from vitamin D (both sexes) and vitamin A (males).

Personal experience

I've been using the the the rejuvenant with the AKG for a long time because I I was involved in the research, you know, I'm on I'm actually on the board of the company. I I I it's something I've done and I've just taken for years.

When we did that with AKG in mice, we see about a 5 to 10% increase in lifespan, but a dramatic increase in frailty. So when we Yeah, I know what you mean. Yeah. So that mice, I would argue that you're extending squaring the longevity curve as we talk about it.

Also said
“If you did not extend lifespan by a day but you just improved health span, that's a home run.”— Emphasizes healthspan as the primary goal.
“AKG came out as one of the best things in worms and then we started testing interventions in mice... we found that for male mice there was a combined effect with uh vitamin A and uh vitamins are an interesting discussion too uh and there was also a combined effect with both sexes with vitamin D.”— Explains the rationale for the combination product.

Sublingual NAD+ with epigenin for metabolic flexibility

WhatTake 100 mg of sublingual NAD+ combined with epigenin (a CD38 inhibitor) each morning.
WhenDaily, in the morning. Kennedy combines it with time-release AKG.
Dose100 mg NAD+ sublingual; epigenin dose not specified.
For whomIndividuals seeking to enhance exercise performance and potentially counteract age-related NAD+ decline. Kennedy uses it himself.
WhyNAD+ levels decline with age. Sublingual delivery bypasses gut and liver metabolism, allowing direct uptake into circulation. Epigenin inhibits CD38, an enzyme that consumes NAD+, further boosting levels. Kennedy experienced acute improvements in exercise performance (lower respiratory rate, higher speed, longer endurance).
CaveatsAnecdotal n-of-1 evidence; no published human trials of this specific combination. Long-term safety unknown. The effect may diminish as fitness improves. Not a substitute for IV NAD+ but more practical.

Kennedy was previously skeptical of oral NAD+ precursors (NR, NMN) because mouse studies showed minimal effects and he personally felt nothing from NR. A company (EX BioParma) approached him with a sublingual NAD+ product containing epigenin. He tried it alongside his daily AKG and noticed a dramatic, reproducible improvement in running performance: at a given heart rate, his respiratory rate was lower, perceived exertion dropped, and he could run faster and longer. He cycled on and off multiple times to confirm. He speculates that the combination of two declining metabolites (AKG and NAD+) provides synergistic metabolic flexibility. He has not measured his own NAD+ levels but says the company has unpublished data showing sublingual NAD+ incorporation into RBCs in rats. He now considers this his most exciting personal intervention and wants to do formal lactate testing.

Mechanism

NAD+ is a central redox cofactor and substrate for sirtuins, PARPs, and CD38. Declining NAD+ with age is linked to mitochondrial dysfunction and metabolic inflexibility. Sublingual delivery allows NAD+ to enter the bloodstream directly, and animal data suggest incorporation into red blood cells. Epigenin blocks CD38, preventing NAD+ degradation. Together, they may increase cellular NAD+ availability, improving mitochondrial efficiency and metabolic flexibility during exercise.

Personal experience

I was on the treadmill and I'm running, you know, and I'm I'm running I keep pushing the speed up and I'm not getting out of breath. And I was going to run 5K. I ran 12K. Uh and I still didn't feel that tired at the end of it.

When I take them together I notice this acute effect on my exercise performance. So I'm running my heart rate goes up my respiratory rate doesn't go up as much. It goes up a little bit but normally if my heart rate's at 150 or 155 I'm breathing hard. I'm breathing closer to normally when I take these two things together.

Also said
“I think a lot of these supplements are impacting exercise. And so it's kind of a a win-win. You you you take something, you exercise better, you drive benefits from that exercise. So it's kind of you win twice with some of these.”— Broader hypothesis about geroprotectors enhancing exercise.
“I've been very skeptical of NAD. Uh not that going down and restoring it won't be good, but I'm skeptical it's going through certuins. I think it could be doing a lot of other things.”— Shows his prior skepticism, making the personal experience more notable.

Resistance training for lean mass preservation

WhatIncorporate resistance training to build and maintain lean muscle mass, in addition to aerobic exercise.
WhenRegularly; Kennedy added it to his running routine.
DoseNot specified.
For whomEveryone, especially as they age.
WhyHigh lean muscle mass, strength, and VO2 max are among the strongest predictors of lower mortality. Kennedy believes muscle mass is so important that he shifted from pure running to include resistance training.
CaveatsNone mentioned.

Kennedy agrees with Attia that VO2 max, muscle mass, and strength have hazard ratios for mortality that exceed those of smoking, diabetes, or even cancer. He believes there is causality, not just association. He personally added resistance training because he wasn't getting enough muscle stimulus from running alone. He still runs for mindfulness but now prioritizes lean mass. He acknowledges that animal data suggest exercise primarily squares the curve, but he considers that a major win for healthspan.

Mechanism

Resistance training stimulates mTOR in muscle acutely, promoting protein synthesis and hypertrophy. It improves metabolic health, bone density, and functional capacity. Kennedy notes that while exercise may only square the longevity curve (extend healthspan, not maximal lifespan), that alone is a revolution.

Personal experience

I believe it so much that I put a lot of effort in increasing my lean mass, you know, and and so I that's why I started resistance training because I wasn't getting as much from running. I get I get more mindfulness from running. Yeah. You know, I I get uh but I did a lot more resistance training, too.

I think lean muscle mass is like super important. It's probably better to have high lean muscle mass and be a little bit more fat than it is to be low on both is my best guess.

Also said
“I think there's causality there. I think it's super important, but it may only be important for squaring the curve. I don't think there's much evidence that maximum lifespan is extended by these things.”— Honest assessment of exercise's limits for lifespan extension.

Hormone replacement therapy (HRT) for women

WhatConsider HRT for menopausal women unless there is a specific contraindication.
WhenAt menopause or when symptoms arise.
DoseNot specified.
For whomPostmenopausal women, after individual risk assessment.
WhyKennedy believes the benefits of HRT far outweigh the risks for most women, and that the question should be 'is there any reason not to do HRT?' rather than 'should I do HRT?'.
CaveatsThe Women's Health Initiative study created lasting fear, but its findings have been largely debunked. Uptake remains extremely low globally.

Kennedy, who now directs a center for reproductive longevity, was surprised to learn how low HRT use is worldwide, especially in Southeast Asia. He attributes this to lingering fear from the WHI study and deference to outdated US guidelines. He draws a parallel to testosterone replacement in men, where the Traverse trial helped undo damage from earlier flawed studies linking testosterone to prostate cancer. He sees HRT as a low-hanging fruit for improving women's healthspan and is frustrated that it remains underutilized.

Mechanism

Estrogen and progesterone regulate numerous physiological processes including bone density, cardiovascular health, cognitive function, and inflammation. Declining levels at menopause accelerate aging phenotypes.

The question should not be should a woman do HRT. The question should be is there any reason a woman should not do HRT because I just see the the value of of hormone replacement to far outweigh the risk in the majority of women.

Also said
“It's stunning how how low the HRT is around the world still. And and and we're just missing an easy opportunity there, I think, to help people.”— Highlights the public health gap.

Self-experimentation with one or two interventions at a time

WhatWhen trying new supplements or drugs, introduce only one or two at a time, measure your response using simple metrics, and cycle on/off to confirm effects.
WhenWhenever adding a new intervention.
DoseNot applicable.
For whomBiohackers and self-experimenters.
WhyCombining many interventions often leads to antagonistic effects in mice; in humans, it's impossible to know what's working. Kennedy practices this himself.
CaveatsThis is n-of-1; results may not generalize. Safety first; only try interventions with an acceptable risk profile.

Kennedy is a proponent of empowering individuals to make their own health decisions, but he is alarmed by the trend of taking 10+ supplements simultaneously. He likens it to mixing paint colors — you get gray. His own approach is to add one new thing to his baseline (AKG), measure subjective and objective parameters, and then remove it to see if the effect disappears. He did this with the sublingual NAD+ product. He encourages people to educate themselves, understand the risks, and measure even simple things like heart rate, respiratory rate, and perceived exertion.

Personal experience

I try one or two things at the same time. And I I try to see how my body responds. I measure things. Measure even simple measures are useful. Uh, and I think that um, if you're doing 10 things, you don't have any idea what's working and what's not working and whether things might be impairing each other.

If you're mixing 20 colors of or taking 20 pills, it's like mixing 20 colors of paint together. You're going to get some ugly gray outcome. or at best you're gonna get an unknown outcome that we can't predict.

Also said
“I support hackers if they want to, you know, educate themselves and try different things and they know what the benefits and risks might be and what we know and we don't know. More power to them.”— Balances caution with support for autonomy.

What's new

Personal practice updates, fresh positions, predictions

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Aging as a network, not a list of hallmarks

Kennedy rejects the idea that aging is 12 independent hallmarks to be fixed one by one. Instead, he views aging as a loss of homeostatic network resilience, where interventions like rapamycin restore dynamic range across multiple hallmarks simultaneously.

Why this matters: Challenges the dominant hallmarks-of-aging paradigm that has driven biotech investment and public understanding since 2013.

Background

The hallmarks of aging paper (2013) and Kennedy's own pillars of aging review (2014) catalogued cellular pathways associated with aging. Many companies now target individual hallmarks.

Kennedy explains that even in his 2014 pillars paper he drew lines connecting all the pillars because he never believed they were independent. He argues that aging is about the network that connects these pathways, and that healthy aging is about maintaining a responsive, malleable network that keeps you in equilibrium. When you slow aging with an intervention like rapamycin, you see improvements across all hallmarks, not just one. He believes the hallmarks are outputs or ways to look at aging, not the root cause. The real driver is a loss of homeostasis and dynamic range, particularly in pathways like mTOR. This view implies that targeting single hallmarks will not lead to radical lifespan extension; instead, we need to understand and preserve the network's resilience.

I think the hallmarks was good because it it it drove interest in the field... but uh it also is misleading because I think the idea that aging is 12 different things and you just need to fix all 12 of them is is completely wrong. It's really about m your body knows how to function in a healthy way. It's about trying to maintain that and maybe improve upon it.

Also said
“If you take an intervention like rapamy that slows aging, it can impact all of the hallmarks. Um, and so I don't really I think those are like outputs or ways you can look at aging, but they're not the nobody is really just targeted.”— Reinforces that hallmarks are downstream readouts, not independent levers.
“To me, aging is a healthy aging is about maintaining homeostasis. It's about, you know, maintaining a responsive network in your body that sort of keeps you in equilibrium, responds to the events that are happening during aging, the stochastic events, the damage that's happening and it keeps you functional and and that network is highly malleable.”— Defines his alternative framework of network homeostasis.

Linear damage accumulation vs. oscillating biological age

Kennedy proposes a model where a linear, monotonic accumulation of 'damage' (or stochastic changes) underlies aging, while a superimposed oscillating component reflects how well you are functioning at that damage state. Most current interventions only affect the oscillation, not the linear slope.

Why this matters: Provides a mathematical framework that explains why interventions may improve healthspan but not maximal lifespan, and why mortality is exponential despite linear damage.

Background

Gompertz's law describes exponential increase in mortality with age. Biologists have struggled to reconcile this with linear damage theories.

Kennedy describes working with physicist Peter Fedichev to model aging as a dynamic system. Imagine a ball in a deep valley when young: you can diverge from health but are pulled back. With age, the hills (resilience) come down, making it easier to fall into failure states (chronic disease, frailty). The linear accumulation of damage lowers the hills, while the chance of the ball going over the hill increases exponentially — matching Gompertz mortality. When they decompose biological age from large datasets like UK Biobank, they find one principal component that rises linearly (the damage) and another that oscillates around it (functional status). Most interventions, including rapamycin, seem to affect the oscillating component, suggesting they work 'around the edges' and may add 5–10 years of healthspan but not change maximal lifespan. To bend the slope, entirely new classes of interventions would be needed.

It suggests that what we're doing right now is sort of working around the edges. You know, we're we're we're doing things that may have five or 10 years impact on health span, which by the way is a revolution if that's successful. I'm not I think that's a major breakthrough in medicine if we can give everybody five or 10 years of extra health span but that these things may not impact maximum lifespan in humans and they may not get us to 150 or 200 and the kinds of ways to get there may be a totally different kinds of interventions.

Also said
“I think that the um um what's happening is this damage is impacting this network that's keeping you healthy, this homeostatic network. And it's in little ways here and there and here and there, and the network compensates for that and does okay. But when enough damage happens, you just can't compensate anymore for events that are happening.”— Explains the mechanism of resilience loss.
“The linear accumulation, it does look like entropy, which in reversing the second law of thermodynamics is we don't have to reverse it. We just have to slow it. Even slowing it is a challenge.”— Frames the difficulty of altering the linear damage slope.

Clinical chemistry clock outperforms methylation clocks and is actionable

Kennedy's team built a mortality-predicting clock from standard clinical chemistry parameters in NHANES. It outperforms first- and second-generation methylation clocks and provides actionable insights because doctors understand the underlying lab values.

Why this matters: First demonstration that a clock using routine labs can beat DNA methylation clocks at predicting mortality, and it directly suggests interventions.

Background

First-generation epigenetic clocks predict chronological age; second-generation clocks like GrimAge predict mortality. Consumer methylation tests have poor reproducibility.

Using NHANES data from 1999–2000 with ~18 years of mortality follow-up, the team used AI to build a linear model from ~50 clinical parameters (CBC, metabolic panel, inflammatory markers, etc.). This clinical chemistry clock predicted mortality better than any other parameter in NHANES, including ASCVD risk scores. When methylation data later became available for the same cohort, they found that some first-generation methylation clocks were worse than chronological age at predicting mortality, while second-generation clocks did better — but the clinical chemistry clock still outperformed them. Crucially, the clock breaks down into principal components that map to smoking, metabolic disease, obesity, etc., allowing clinicians to see which subclinical abnormalities are driving elevated biological age. In one analysis, ~20% of people had parameters out of reference range but were not being treated; those individuals had higher biological age and faster mortality. People whose parameters were well-managed with medication had lower biological age than untreated healthy-seeming individuals, suggesting aggressive early treatment of preconditions is beneficial.

We took everything as a feature and used AI uh linear model to try to predict mortality. Um and uh they're on we're on the second generation of this clock now. Uh and it predicts mortality better than any other parameter in inhanes. It's way better than ASCVD.

Also said
“The people taking the medication have a lower biologic age and live longer. And it doesn't really matter what the medication is. You know, it's true for the major medications you would get for metabolic and cardiovascular disease in the year 2000.”— Suggests that treating preconditions aggressively is a form of geroprotection.
“We find cases where nothing's out of the reference range. Okay. So a doctor that's looking at things especially if they have a few minutes to look at they're not going to prescribe anything for this person. Yeah. But these four parameters in this principal component are increasing you know their their biologic age by four years which means it's increasing their uh it's 50% increase in mortality risk.”— Shows the clock's ability to detect hidden risk.

Combining longevity interventions often cancels out in mice

Kennedy warns that combining multiple geroprotective compounds rarely yields additive benefits in mouse studies; they are more likely to cancel each other out. He advises testing one or two interventions at a time and measuring responses.

Why this matters: Directly contradicts the popular biohacking approach of taking many supplements simultaneously.

Background

The ITP and other labs have tested individual interventions; few combination studies exist.

Kennedy states that when his lab tests combinations of interventions in mice, the effects are more often antagonistic than additive. He likens taking 20 pills to mixing 20 colors of paint — you get an ugly gray outcome. Even with well-studied molecules like rapamycin and metformin, the additive effects are small. He believes that without understanding the primary target of each compound, rational combinations are impossible. His lab is now doing proteomics thermal shift assays to identify binding partners for compounds like urolithin A, so they can eventually design synergistic combinations. He personally tries only one or two new things at a time, measures his response, and then adds or removes. He supports self-experimentation but urges caution and measurement.

Personal experience

I try one or two things at the same time. And I I try to see how my body responds. I measure things. Measure even simple measures are useful. Uh, and I think that um, if you're doing 10 things, you don't have any idea what's working and what's not working and whether things might be impairing each other. And I really think that's a scary path to go down.

I can't pick three interventions that work well together and in a mouse, you know, and we do these studies all the time. The thing they're more likely to cancel each other out than to have additive effects. And so, if you're mixing 20 colors of or taking 20 pills, it's like mixing 20 colors of paint together. You're going to get some ugly gray outcome.

Also said
“There's rapamy and metformin and a couple other things from the ITP but they're small effects. Can we break through a barrier and get 50 60% effects in mice by combining things together? I I think that's what preclinally we're excited about.”— Acknowledges the current ceiling and the goal of finding true synergy.

Sublingual NAD+ plus epigenin acutely improves exercise performance (n=1)

Kennedy reports that a sublingual NAD+ (100 mg) plus epigenin (CD38 inhibitor) product, especially when combined with time-release AKG, dramatically improved his running performance — lower respiratory rate at a given heart rate, faster speeds, and longer distances.

Why this matters: Anecdotal but striking n-of-1 observation that challenges his prior skepticism about NAD+ precursors and suggests a practical, non-IV route for NAD+ repletion.

Background

Kennedy was skeptical of NR and NMN because mouse studies showed little effect and human data were weak. IV NAD+ is effective but impractical.

Kennedy had largely given up on the NAD+ pathway until a company (EX BioParma) approached him to test a sublingual NAD+ product that also contains epigenin, a CD38 inhibitor. CD38 is an enzyme that consumes NAD+, so inhibiting it may further boost NAD+ levels. He began taking it alongside his daily time-release AKG (rejuvenate). Within three days, he noticed on a treadmill run that he kept increasing speed without getting out of breath; he ran 12K instead of his planned 5K and still felt fresh. He observed that his heart rate would rise normally but his respiratory rate stayed lower, and his rate of perceived exertion tracked with respiration, not heart rate. He went off and on the combination multiple times to confirm the effect. He speculates that the two metabolites, both of which decline with age, are providing cellular metabolic flexibility. He has not measured RBC NAD+ levels himself but says the company has unpublished data showing incorporation. He now considers this his most exciting personal finding and wants to do formal lactate testing.

Personal experience

I was on the treadmill and I'm running, you know, and I'm I'm running I keep pushing the speed up and I'm not getting out of breath. And I was going to run 5K. I ran 12K. Uh and I still didn't feel that tired at the end of it. Um and then I started thinking, how did this happen? Cuz I know how my body performs normally.

When I take them together I notice this acute effect on my exercise performance. So I'm running my heart rate goes up my respiratory rate doesn't go up as much. It goes up a little bit but normally if my heart rate's at 150 or 155 I'm breathing hard. I'm breathing closer to normally when I take these two things together.

Also said
“I think a lot of these supplements are impacting exercise. And so it's kind of a a win-win. You you you take something, you exercise better, you drive benefits from that exercise. So it's kind of you win twice with some of these.”— Frames the broader hypothesis that geroprotectors may work partly by enhancing exercise response.
“I'd like to just quit my job and do nothing other than these experiments.”— Conveys his excitement about self-experimentation.

Recommendations

Products, supplements, and tools mentioned in the episode

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Clinical chemistry biological age clock (NHANES-derived)

Tool

A mortality-predicting clock built from ~50 standard clinical lab parameters. It outperforms methylation clocks and is actionable because it uses familiar biomarkers. Hospitals are beginning to adopt it.

The clock was built using NHANES data with 18-year mortality follow-up. It breaks down into principal components that map to smoking, metabolic disease, etc., allowing clinicians to see which subclinical abnormalities are driving elevated biological age. In analyses, ~20% of people had untreated out-of-range parameters and higher biological age; those on medication with well-controlled parameters had lower biological age. Kennedy sees this as a tool to encourage earlier, more aggressive treatment of preconditions. It costs about $300 in Singapore if done de novo, but most parameters are already measured in routine care.

vs alternatives

First-generation methylation clocks are worse than chronological age at predicting mortality. Second-generation clocks like GrimAge are better but still underperform this clinical chemistry clock. Moreover, methylation clocks are not actionable in the same way because doctors don't know how to interpret methylation changes.

It predicts mortality better than any other parameter in inhanes. It's way better than ASCVD. Uh there's cardiovascular disease measurement.

Also said
“We find cases where nothing's out of the reference range... But these four parameters in this principal component are increasing you know their their biologic age by four years which means it's increasing their uh it's 50% increase in mortality risk.”— Demonstrates the clock's ability to detect hidden risk.
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Urolithin A

Supplement

Urolithin A dramatically reduced frailty in male mice (but not females) in Kennedy's hands. They have identified new molecular targets (unpublished). Human trials are planned.

Kennedy's group replicated the lifespan and frailty effects of urolithin A in mice, but saw a sex-specific effect (males only), which they are re-testing. They performed proteomics thermal shift assays to find binding partners and discovered new targets beyond the canonical mitophagy mechanism. He believes urolithin A may also induce mitochondrial biogenesis, not just mitophagy. Human studies are planned, and Kennedy suggests that if it truly improves mitochondrial function, outcomes should include fat oxidation and zone 2 efficiency, possibly requiring muscle biopsies.

vs alternatives

Compared to other mitophagy-inducing supplements, urolithin A has stronger mouse data in Kennedy's lab, but the sex-specificity and unknown human efficacy differentiate it from more established interventions like rapamycin.

The mouse data is really good on uralithna. I I'm a believer it worked in our hands. The first this is why we haven't published yet because when we did it, it dramatically reduced frailty in male mice, but not females.

Also said
“We have targets we haven't published yet. Yeah we we've got a couple new targets that we haven't published yet. So that could explain some of the effects.”— Indicates a novel mechanism beyond mitophagy.
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Spermidine

Supplement

Spermidine extended lifespan in mice and restored metabolic health under high-fat diet challenge in Kennedy's studies. He is optimistic but has not done extensive human work.

Kennedy's lab studied spermidine because earlier data showed lifespan extension without metabolic effects, which was unusual. They found that in old mice on a high-fat diet, spermidine suppressed metabolic dysfunction and also extended lifespan in a small survival cohort. He considers it a robust molecule but hasn't prioritized it for human trials yet. He notes that many geroprotectors, including spermidine, also extend fertility in mice, which may be a useful translational endpoint.

vs alternatives

Like AKG and rapamycin, spermidine appears to be a genuine geroprotector in mice, but human data are lacking. Kennedy seems equally optimistic about it as urolithin A.

The spermadine extended the lifespan of the mice too. Um, and so we we were able to repeat the lifespan effect in mice even though that wasn't the goal of our study and and show that it restores metabolism in a in a calorie challenged context.

Also said
“I would say I'm optimistic about spermadine as well that we haven't done a lot.”— Indicates his current stance.
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Rejuvenate (time-release alpha-ketoglutarate with vitamins)

Supplement Sponsored · disclosed

AKG is a TCA cycle metabolite that declines with age. Time-release AKG extended lifespan 5–10% and dramatically reduced frailty in mice. A human placebo-controlled trial of AKG alone has been completed; results pending. The commercial product adds vitamin A (for males), vitamin D, and B complex.

DisclosureBrian Kennedy is on the board of PDL Health, the company that makes Rejuvenate.

Kennedy's lab screened natural products for geroprotective effects, leading to AKG as a top hit. In mice, the combination with vitamin A benefited males, and vitamin D benefited both sexes. An uncontrolled community study using methylation clocks suggested biological age reversal, but Kennedy emphasizes the limitations. He has taken the product for years and combines it with sublingual NAD+ for a personal exercise performance boost. The product is commercially available.

vs alternatives

Unlike regular AKG, which is rapidly cleared, the time-release formulation sustains levels. Compared to other geroprotective supplements like NR or NMN, Kennedy has seen more robust mouse data and personal benefit from AKG.

Personal experience

I've been using the the the rejuvenant with the AKG for a long time because I I was involved in the research, you know, I'm on I'm actually on the board of the company.

When we did that with AKG in mice, we see about a 5 to 10% increase in lifespan, but a dramatic increase in frailty. So when we Yeah, I know what you mean. Yeah. So that mice, I would argue that you're extending squaring the longevity curve as we talk about it.

Also said
“AKG came out as one of the best things in worms and then we started testing interventions in mice... we found that for male mice there was a combined effect with uh vitamin A and uh vitamins are an interesting discussion too uh and there was also a combined effect with both sexes with vitamin D.”— Explains the combination rationale.
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Sublingual NAD+ with epigenin (EX BioParma product)

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A sublingual NAD+ (100 mg) plus epigenin (CD38 inhibitor) product that Kennedy found dramatically improved his running performance when combined with AKG. Sublingual delivery bypasses gut/liver metabolism.

DisclosureKennedy tested the product at the company's request; he is not on the board but has a collaboration. He mentions the company name EX BioParma.

Kennedy was skeptical of oral NAD+ precursors. This product uses sublingual delivery to get NAD+ directly into the bloodstream, and epigenin to block CD38-mediated NAD+ consumption. In rats, sublingual NAD+ was incorporated into red blood cells. Kennedy's personal n-of-1 experiment showed acute improvements in exercise capacity. The product is commercially available as a natural product, not a drug. No published human trials yet.

vs alternatives

Compared to IV NAD+, this is practical for daily use. Compared to NR/NMN, Kennedy feels this sublingual NAD+ product actually produces a noticeable effect, whereas he felt nothing from NR.

Personal experience

I was on the treadmill and I'm running, you know, and I'm I'm running I keep pushing the speed up and I'm not getting out of breath. And I was going to run 5K. I ran 12K. Uh and I still didn't feel that tired at the end of it.

When I take them together I notice this acute effect on my exercise performance. So I'm running my heart rate goes up my respiratory rate doesn't go up as much.

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“I've been very skeptical of NAD... I've never noticed anything taking NR. Again, that's just one person, but that's me.”— Contrasts his prior experience with NR.
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Notable quotes

Lines worth pulling out — contrarian, specific, or perfectly phrased

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I think the hallmarks was good because it it it drove interest in the field... but uh it also is misleading because I think the idea that aging is 12 different things and you just need to fix all 12 of them is is completely wrong. It's really about m your body knows how to function in a healthy way. It's about trying to maintain that and maybe improve upon it.
Directly challenges the dominant paradigm in aging biology.
It suggests that what we're doing right now is sort of working around the edges. You know, we're we're we're doing things that may have five or 10 years impact on health span, which by the way is a revolution if that's successful. I'm not I think that's a major breakthrough in medicine if we can give everybody five or 10 years of extra health span but that these things may not impact maximum lifespan in humans and they may not get us to 150 or 200 and the kinds of ways to get there may be a totally different kinds of interventions.
Candid admission that current interventions are modest and won't lead to radical lifespan extension.
If you're mixing 20 colors of or taking 20 pills, it's like mixing 20 colors of paint together. You're going to get some ugly gray outcome. or at best you're gonna get an unknown outcome that we can't predict.
Vivid metaphor warning against polypharmacy in biohacking.
I'd like to just quit my job and do nothing other than these experiments.
Reveals his passion for self-experimentation and the excitement of his n-of-1 findings.
The question should not be should a woman do HRT. The question should be is there any reason a woman should not do HRT because I just see the the value of of hormone replacement to far outweigh the risk in the majority of women.
Strong, unambiguous stance on an underutilized intervention.
I think a lot of these supplements are impacting exercise. And so it's kind of a a win-win. You you you take something, you exercise better, you drive benefits from that exercise. So it's kind of you win twice with some of these.
Novel hypothesis that geroprotectors may work partly by enhancing exercise response.

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