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Menopause Masterclass: My Menopause Toolkit – HRT and more
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Menopause Masterclass: My Menopause Toolkit – HRT and more

Mary Claire Haver
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TL;DR

The four things you'd lose by not watching

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TL;DR

The four things you'd lose by not watching

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Dr. Mary Claire Haver details her personal menopause hormone therapy regimen: transdermal estradiol patch plus low-dose oral estradiol for bone protection, oral micronized progesterone, off-label testosterone gel, vaginal estrogen, DHEA, and topical facial estriol.

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She explains why she measures serum estradiol levels despite guidelines not recommending it, citing data that ~20% of women are poor absorbers of transdermal estrogen, and that symptom control may not equal bone or cardiovascular protection.

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She walks through her supplement stack: vitamin D/omega-3, methylated B vitamins with CoQ10 and genistein, collagen, creatine, fiber, magnesium L-threonate, and a sleep formula with theanine, magnesium glycinate, and low-dose melatonin.

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She also covers non-hormonal options like fezolinetant (Veozah) and paroxetine, and shares her use of oral minoxidil 2.5 mg for hair loss.

Protocols

Concrete recipes — what, when, how much, and why

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Systemic Estrogen: Transdermal Patch + Low-Dose Oral Estradiol

WhatApply a generic estradiol patch (0.1 mg/day) twice weekly (Tuesdays and Fridays) for continuous systemic estrogen, plus take a low-dose oral estradiol tablet at night for additional bone protection and cholesterol improvement.
WhenPatch: Tuesday and Friday. Oral estradiol: at bedtime.
DosePatch: 0.1 mg/day (highest dose). Oral: low dose (specific mg not stated, but 'very small amount').
For whomHaver herself; may be considered for postmenopausal women with osteopenia/osteoporosis or high cholesterol who are poor absorbers of transdermal estrogen.
WhyPatch provides steady-state estradiol for brain fog and symptom control, bypasses liver, no clotting risk. Oral estradiol adds first-pass liver effect to improve cholesterol and raises serum estradiol to bone-protective levels (target ~70 pg/mL).
CaveatsNot for everyone; oral estrogen slightly increases clotting risk and raises SHBG, which may worsen libido. Requires monitoring of estradiol levels and lipids. Insurance may not cover two forms.

Haver explains that she was on the highest-dose patch and felt great, but her serum estradiol levels were below the bone-protective threshold. She considered adding a second patch but faced insurance issues. She opted for low-dose oral estradiol at night, which not only boosted her estradiol levels but also normalized her cholesterol. She emphasizes that this is an individualized solution based on her labs and goals, not a standard recommendation. She also notes that oral estrogen's effect on SHBG can be problematic for libido, so monitoring is important.

Mechanism

Transdermal estradiol diffuses through skin directly into bloodstream, avoiding hepatic first-pass metabolism, thus not increasing clotting factors or SHBG. Oral estradiol undergoes first-pass metabolism in the liver, which upregulates LDL receptors and improves lipid profiles, but also increases SHBG and clotting factors slightly. The combination aims to achieve a serum estradiol level sufficient for bone remodeling (above 70 pg/mL) while maintaining steady brain levels.

Personal experience

Haver shares that her cholesterol rose shockingly in menopause. Diet, exercise, and the patch brought it down somewhat, but adding oral estradiol normalized it. She takes it at night alongside other nighttime medications for convenience.

I am on the highest dose patch. There's no more than this. And I measured my levels twice and they did not approach bone protection. So, my symptoms were controlled. My bones were probably needing more for maximum protection. So, I said, 'Okay, I can either add another patch to this, which would be fine, but it it gets a little sticky with insurance companies because mine are covered, or I can add a really low dose of oral estradiol at night.'

Also said
“Adding in the touch of oral estradiol, which I happen to take at night because I'm taking some other stuff at night, too. And it's just easy for me to remember, did get my cholesterol back in the normal range.”— Personal outcome of the dual approach.

Oral Micronized Progesterone at Bedtime

WhatTake oral micronized progesterone (100–200 mg) every night at bedtime.
WhenAt bedtime, continuously (not cycled).
Dose100 mg if on ≤0.05 mg estradiol patch; 200 mg if on higher dose. Haver takes 200 mg (implied by highest patch dose).
For whomAll women with a uterus on systemic estrogen; optional but beneficial for sleep even without a uterus.
WhyProtects uterine lining from unopposed estrogen; converts to allopregnanolone, which crosses the blood-brain barrier and promotes calm and sleep via GABA receptor.
CaveatsAbout 10% of women have a paradoxical reaction (agitation). Can be used vaginally to avoid oral side effects. Peanut oil base—avoid if peanut allergy (can compound in alternative oil).

Haver emphasizes that progesterone is mandatory for uterine protection but also a powerful sleep aid. She describes how she never misses her dose because of the sleep benefit. She notes that some women cannot tolerate it orally and can use the same capsules vaginally, which still protects the uterus but bypasses the first-pass metabolism that produces allopregnanolone, potentially reducing the sleep benefit. She also mentions alternatives like the Duavee (conjugated estrogens/bazedoxifene) for those with progesterone intolerance or high breast cancer risk.

Mechanism

Micronized progesterone is bioidentical. It metabolizes to allopregnanolone, a neurosteroid that binds to GABA-A receptors, producing sedative and anxiolytic effects. This improves sleep quality and latency. It also opposes estrogen-driven endometrial proliferation, preventing hyperplasia and cancer.

Personal experience

Haver says she depends on progesterone for calm sleep, wears a sleep tracker, and sees a night-and-day difference in sleep quality. She jokes that she might forget her retainer or to brush her hair but never forgets progesterone.

I depend on it so much to help me have that good calm sleep. ... I do not miss my dose. I might not put in my retainer. I might forget to brush my hair, but I am almost never going to forget my progesterone.

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“The thing about progesterone is that it converts down to alopregnolone and the metabolic process and alopregnolone loves to cross the bloodb brain barrier and it binds to the GAP receptor and causes a lot of calm and sedation and it is absolutely wonderful for sleep.”— Explains the mechanism of sleep benefit.

Off-Label Testosterone Gel (AndroGel)

WhatApply a pea-sized amount (approximately 5 mg) of AndroGel 1% (men's testosterone gel) to inner wrists and forearms once daily.
WhenOnce daily, typically in the morning (implied by 'I have not put it on today' during recording).
Dose~5 mg/day (one-quarter of a 20 mg pump).
For whomPostmenopausal women with low libido (HSDD) or those seeking muscle/bone benefits; requires baseline and follow-up testosterone levels.
WhyTo improve muscle strength, bone density, and potentially libido; Haver started for musculoskeletal benefits after reading about higher natural testosterone levels being protective against sarcopenia and frailty.
CaveatsOff-label in the US (no FDA-approved female testosterone product). Side effects of excess: acne, hirsutism, temporal hair loss, clitoromegaly (irreversible), voice deepening (irreversible). Dosing and monitoring critical. Not for women who are indifferent to low libido.

Haver explains that she started testosterone off-label not for libido but because she read that women in the highest quartile of testosterone had better bone and muscle strength. She hoped it would help her maintain muscle with her workouts. She later noticed an uptick in desire. She stresses that testosterone is for women who miss their previous libido, not for those content without it. She details the application method (pea-sized amount on hairless inner wrist, rubbed between wrists) and the importance of baseline and 3-month follow-up labs. She also warns against pellets due to supraphysiologic levels and irreversibility.

Mechanism

Testosterone acts on androgen receptors in muscle, bone, and brain. It promotes muscle protein synthesis, bone formation, and may enhance dopaminergic pathways involved in desire. Physiologic replacement aims to restore premenopausal levels, not supraphysiologic.

Personal experience

Haver shares that she did not qualify for HSDD but noticed improved energy and libido. She says she would miss it if it were taken away. She previously used compounded cream but now prefers AndroGel for cost and consistency.

I started it off label because I had read that women who have naturally the highest cortile of testosterone levels ... have better bone and muscle strength less frailty less sarcopenia. And I was like huh what if I use this and physiologic ranges for a female and then kept my workouts going maybe this would help me hang on to my muscle maybe build a little more a little faster.

Also said
“This cost me about $55 with a coupon and lasts about six months. So, very, very, very affordable.”— Addresses cost barrier compared to pellets.

Vaginal Estrogen Cream Twice Weekly

WhatApply generic vaginal estradiol cream twice a week: a fingertip-length amount inserted into the vagina and a small amount on the clitoris and labia minora.
WhenTwice weekly, on the same days as patch change (Tuesday and Friday for Haver).
DoseFingertip-length (mid-knuckle to tip); frequency twice weekly.
For whomAll postmenopausal women, especially those with or at risk for GSM; can be used prophylactically.
WhyPrevents and treats genitourinary syndrome of menopause (GSM), reducing risk of UTIs, vaginal dryness, pain, and tissue fragility. Prophylactic use can cut UTIs by 50% and reduce urosepsis deaths.
CaveatsCream is messy; alcohol base may irritate. Alternatives: vaginal tablets, suppositories, ring. No systemic absorption concerns—safe for almost everyone, including breast cancer survivors (per updated guidelines).

Haver passionately advocates for vaginal estrogen as a life-saving intervention, noting that severe GSM affects up to 84% of postmenopausal women and remains undertreated. She explains that the tissues become thin, dry, fragile, and prone to infection. She uses the cream because it's cheap (~$15/tube) and accessible. She describes the application technique in detail and mentions alternatives like Vagifem tablets, Imvexxy suppositories, and the Femring. She also discusses DHEA (Intrarosa) as another option but prefers her OTC DHEA cream for the vulva.

Mechanism

Estradiol binds to estrogen receptors in vaginal and vulvar tissues, restoring epithelial thickness, elasticity, and glycogen content, which lowers pH and supports a healthy microbiome. This reduces susceptibility to infections and mechanical irritation.

Personal experience

Haver uses the cream twice weekly on patch days for convenience. She also uses a separate DHEA cream on the vulva.

This little tube will save lives. We can decrease 50% of urinary tract infections in postmenopausal women by using this prophylactically. And when we do that, we will cut down on 50% of urospsis and death from eurospsis.

Also said
“GSM severe affects up to 84% of post-menopausal women and is still remains right now the most undertreated, underdiagnosed, under discussed consequence of estrogen loss.”— Highlights the scale of the problem.

Topical DHEA Cream for Vulvar Vestibule

WhatApply a low-dose DHEA cream (Julva) to the vulvar vestibule for local conversion to estrogen and testosterone.
WhenNot specified; likely daily or as needed.
DosePea-sized amount (implied).
For whomWomen with GSM, especially those with vestibulodynia or inadequate response to vaginal estrogen alone.
WhyProvides both estrogen and testosterone to androgen-rich vulvar tissues, improving GSM symptoms like pain and dryness that may not fully respond to estrogen alone.
CaveatsOTC product, not FDA-regulated; quality depends on manufacturer. The FDA-approved vaginal DHEA (Intrarosa) is expensive and not generic.

Haver explains that she uses a specific OTC product from Dr. Kelly Casperson (Julva) that contains DHEA and vitamin D in an oil-based moisturizer. She prefers it over the prescription Intrarosa due to cost and texture. She notes that even with vaginal estrogen, some women need additional androgen support for the vestibule. She applies it externally, not as a suppository.

Mechanism

DHEA is a prohormone that is converted intracellularly to estradiol and testosterone by enzymes in vulvovaginal tissues. This dual action addresses both estrogen and androgen receptors, which are abundant in the vestibule.

Personal experience

Haver says she is a 'huge fan' and likes having that extra protection. She uses it alongside vaginal estrogen.

DHEA will in the cells convert to estradiol and testosterone both there are androgen receptors in the vestibule in the vulva and so you're getting both estrogen and testosterone.

Also said
“This is a lower dose DHEA from my friend Kelly Caspersonson for the ulva. I really like the texture of it and I just like having that little bit of extra protection.”— Personal endorsement and product name.

Topical Estriol Cream for Face

WhatApply a 0.3% estriol cream to the face daily, focusing under the eyes, followed by moisturizer or makeup.
WhenEvery morning.
DosePea-sized amount.
For whomAnyone seeking cosmetic skin benefits; safe for those who cannot use systemic hormones.
WhyCosmetic: improves skin thickness, firmness, and texture by leveraging estrogen receptors in skin. Estriol is a weaker estrogen with minimal systemic absorption.
CaveatsPurely cosmetic, not medically necessary. Can be expensive. Alcohol-based vaginal creams may dry skin; dedicated estriol creams in moisturizing bases are preferred.

Haver notes that one can use vaginal estrogen cream on the face, but the alcohol base can be drying. She prefers a dedicated estriol cream (likely Alloy M4) in a moisturizing base. She applies it every morning and finds it easy to incorporate. She emphasizes this is not a recommendation for everyone but part of her personal routine.

Mechanism

Estriol binds to estrogen receptors in the skin, promoting collagen production, hydration, and elasticity. Its low potency and topical application limit systemic effects.

Personal experience

She uses it daily and finds it non-drying, easy to apply under makeup.

This is topical estrogen for my face. ... I have chosen to do this cream that has estriol which is a cousin of estradiol and it's a .3% it has been studied showing efficacy and safety.

Also said
“The nice thing about topical, anyone can use it. Anyone can use vaginal. Anyone can use it on the skin.”— Highlights the broad safety profile.

Supplement Stack: Omega-3, Vitamin D, Vitamin K

WhatTake a combined supplement providing 4,000 IU vitamin D, 1,200 mg EPA, 800 mg DHA, plus vitamin K for absorption.
WhenDaily, with food (implied).
Dose4,000 IU vitamin D, ~2,000 mg total omega-3s.
For whomAll menopausal women, especially those with low vitamin D or suboptimal omega-3 intake.
WhyMost menopausal women are vitamin D deficient; optimal levels (60–100 ng/mL) support bone, immune, cardiovascular, and metabolic health. Omega-3s reduce inflammation and support heart and brain health.
CaveatsContraindicated with warfarin (Coumadin) due to vitamin K. High-dose vitamin D (4,000 IU/day) does not require monitoring, but prescription loading doses (50,000 IU/week) do.

Haver explains that in her clinic, over 80% of menopausal women have low vitamin D. She checks levels and often gives a prescription loading dose first, then maintains with this supplement. She combined omega-3 and vitamin D for convenience, adding vitamin K for synergy. She emphasizes that vitamin D deficiency is linked to weight gain, diabetes, dementia, poor sleep, and cardiovascular disease.

Mechanism

Vitamin D is a secosteroid hormone that regulates calcium homeostasis, immune function, and gene expression. Omega-3 fatty acids (EPA/DHA) are incorporated into cell membranes, reducing inflammatory eicosanoids. Vitamin K supports carboxylation of osteocalcin and matrix Gla protein, directing calcium to bones and away from arteries.

Personal experience

She takes this daily and recommends it as a foundational supplement.

Low vitamin D levels are rampant and they are linked to weight gain, diabetes, dementia, low sleep, cardiovascular disease, all the things. So if you learn nothing else from this talk today is go get your vitamin D level checked.

Also said
“You can take up to 4,000 units of vitamin D a day without needing to be monitored.”— Practical dosing guidance.

Supplement: Methylated B Vitamins + CoQ10 + Genistein (Minnow Multi)

WhatTake one capsule daily of a multivitamin containing methylated B vitamins (B6, B12, folate, etc.), CoQ10, and genistein.
WhenDaily.
DoseOne capsule.
For whomMenopausal women with elevated homocysteine, fatigue, or those seeking cardiometabolic support.
WhyMethylated B vitamins lower homocysteine (elevated in many menopausal women), supporting cardiovascular and brain health. CoQ10 supports mitochondrial function and heart health. Genistein (a phytoestrogen) has anti-inflammatory, bone, and heart benefits.
CaveatsNot a substitute for a healthy diet. Those with certain genetic mutations (MTHFR) may particularly benefit from methylated forms.

Haver notes that she checks homocysteine levels in patients and finds many have high levels due to poor B vitamin utilization. She designed this product to address that with methylated forms. She also included CoQ10 for heart health and genistein for its studied benefits in menopausal women. She emphasizes that this is a targeted multi, not a generic one-a-day.

Mechanism

Methylated B vitamins (e.g., methylfolate, methylcobalamin) bypass common polymorphisms in folate and B12 metabolism, directly lowering homocysteine. CoQ10 is a cofactor in the electron transport chain, supporting ATP production. Genistein is a soy isoflavone that binds estrogen receptor beta, exerting anti-inflammatory and bone-sparing effects.

Personal experience

She takes it daily as part of her regimen.

We're checking homoyine levels in patients and we're seeing a tremendous amount of a very high percentage of women who are struggling with high levels of homocyine. And it's usually because they're not able to utilize their B12 or folate. And so this has very special B vitamins that are actually methylated for easier use within the body.

Also said
“There is wonderful data on genin which is a phytoestrogen which is a powerful anti-inflammatory component. It's been studied in bone health in women, in heart health and in inflammation.”— Justifies the inclusion of genistein.

Collagen Peptides (Verisol + Fortibone) in Daily Shake

WhatAdd two scoops of a collagen powder containing Verisol (for skin) and Fortibone (for bone) to a morning shake.
WhenDaily, in a morning shake that breaks the overnight fast.
DoseTwo scoops.
For whomMenopausal women concerned about skin aging and bone density.
WhyVerisol collagen peptides have been studied for reducing wrinkles and cellulite. Fortibone collagen peptides were studied in menopausal women with osteopenia/osteoporosis and showed bone density improvements over 5 years.
CaveatsCollagen is not a complete protein; should complement, not replace, dietary protein. Results require consistent long-term use.

Haver explains that she was excited by the Fortibone studies in menopausal women not on any other bone interventions, showing benefit over 5 years. She combined it with Verisol for skin benefits. She adds it to her morning shake along with Greek yogurt, whey protein, creatine, and fiber.

Mechanism

Hydrolyzed collagen peptides provide specific amino acids (glycine, proline, hydroxyproline) that stimulate fibroblast activity and bone matrix synthesis. Verisol has been shown to increase skin elasticity and reduce wrinkle depth. Fortibone stimulates osteoblast activity and reduces bone resorption markers.

Personal experience

She makes the shake almost every day and sips it over several hours.

I got super excited about Forivone when the studies were studied in menopausal women with osteoporosis and osteopenia and they saw benefit to their bones and they weren't on any other intervention. They followed them for 5 years taking this every day and so I was like I want this.

Also said
“One is called Verasol, which was studied in skin for wrinkles and cellulite appearance. So, it's a vanity product.”— Acknowledges the cosmetic motivation.

Whey Protein + Creatine in Morning Shake

WhatAdd one scoop of whey protein powder (with added creatine) to the morning shake, plus additional creatine and electrolytes in water throughout the day.
WhenMorning shake; creatine/electrolyte water sipped throughout the day.
DoseOne scoop whey protein (amount not specified); creatine dose not specified but likely 3–5 g based on typical dosing.
For whomActive menopausal women, especially those doing strength training.
WhyWhey protein supports muscle protein synthesis and satiety. Creatine aids muscle recovery, strength, and may improve cognition and sleep in aging women. Electrolytes support hydration.
CaveatsCreatine can cause water retention. Those with kidney disease should consult a doctor. Protein supplements are unnecessary if dietary protein is adequate.

Haver references research by Dr. Abby Smith-Ryan on creatine in women, noting that aging reduces endogenous creatine synthesis. She adds creatine to her water with electrolytes for taste and hydration. She emphasizes that most women should consider creatine supplementation.

Mechanism

Whey protein is rich in leucine, which stimulates mTOR and muscle protein synthesis. Creatine increases phosphocreatine stores, enhancing ATP regeneration during high-intensity exercise. It may also support brain energy metabolism.

Personal experience

She uses her own brand's whey+creatine product in her shake and adds extra creatine to her water. She likes the chocolate flavor.

Studies on women are looking extremely good. If you look at Abby Smith Ryan coming out of North Carolina, her research looking at women in strength training and creatine. We can't make as much as we age. It's one of those things. And so it's so important for muscle recovery. Also, it seems to have a lot of good use for brain fog and sleep.

Also said
“Most of us should be taking creatine. We just can't make enough of it.”— Broad recommendation for aging women.

Fiber Supplement for Cardiovascular and Gut Health

WhatAdd one scoop (8 g fiber) of a flavorless fiber supplement to coffee, water, or shake to reach 35–38 g total daily fiber.
WhenDaily, often in the morning shake.
DoseOne scoop (8 g).
For whomWomen not meeting fiber goals through diet alone.
WhyMost women get only 25 g fiber; cardiovascular protection requires 35–38 g. Fiber improves gut health, lowers cholesterol, and aids weight management.
CaveatsIncrease gradually to avoid bloating. Drink plenty of water.

Haver notes that she consistently gets 25–30 g from food (avocados, seeds, nuts, legumes) but uses the supplement to exceed 35 g for cardiovascular protection. She emphasizes that fiber is a key tool for reducing diabetes and heart disease risk.

Mechanism

Soluble fiber binds bile acids, lowering LDL cholesterol. It also feeds gut microbiota, producing short-chain fatty acids that improve insulin sensitivity and reduce inflammation.

Personal experience

She adds it to her shake or coffee.

For cardiovascular protection, women want to get 35 to 38 grams. So this just gets me over the top.

Magnesium L-Threonate for Brain Health

WhatTake magnesium L-threonate during the day to raise brain magnesium levels.
WhenDuring the day (not at night).
DoseNot specified.
For whomWomen with brain fog, low mood, or suboptimal magnesium status.
WhyMagnesium L-threonate crosses the blood-brain barrier effectively, raising brain magnesium levels. It has been studied in SSRI-resistant depression and may support cognition and mood.
CaveatsMay cause drowsiness in some; Haver takes it during the day. Check intracellular magnesium levels.

Haver explains that she takes this form specifically for its brain penetration. She references a study where it helped SSRI-resistant depression. She takes it during the day to get magnesium into her brain, while using magnesium glycinate at night for sleep.

Mechanism

Magnesium L-threonate is a chelated form that is actively transported across the blood-brain barrier, increasing synaptic magnesium. Magnesium is a cofactor for hundreds of enzymes and modulates NMDA receptors, supporting neuroplasticity.

Personal experience

She took it for a long time and finds it beneficial.

This is a mag that is very good at crossing the bloodb brain barrier. It was actually studied in SSRI resistant depression and it really did seem to help those patients who were not doing well with severe depression on their anti-depression medication.

What's new

Personal practice updates, fresh positions, predictions

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measuring-serum-estradiol-for-absorption

Haver now routinely checks serum estradiol levels in her clinic for patients on transdermal estrogen, contrary to current guidelines, because new UK data shows ~20% of women are poor absorbers.

Why this matters: This represents a shift from the standard 'treat to symptom relief' approach to a more personalized, biomarker-driven strategy that aims for bone and cardiovascular protection thresholds, not just hot flash control.

Background

Historically, menopause hormone therapy was developed and studied with hot flash reduction as the primary endpoint. Guidelines did not recommend routine estradiol level monitoring because symptom relief was considered sufficient. However, emerging evidence indicates that the estradiol level needed to stop hot flashes may be lower than the level needed to protect bone or cardiovascular tissue.

Haver explains that after reading data from the Louise Newson Clinic and other publications on transdermal absorption variability, she began checking levels in her own practice. She found that even on the highest-dose patch, her own levels did not reach the bone-protective threshold (around 70 pg/mL). This led her to add a low-dose oral estradiol at night. She now recommends a high-sensitivity serum estradiol level at month three for all patients, especially those with osteopenia, osteoporosis, or family history, to ensure adequate absorption. She acknowledges that guidelines are likely a decade away from changing but believes this is the latest evidence patients deserve to know.

Personal experience

Haver shares that she personally was on the highest-dose patch, felt great, had no hot flashes, but when she measured her levels twice, they were not in the bone-protective range. This prompted her to add oral estradiol, which also improved her cholesterol.

The guidelines currently do not recommend routine testing of estradiol levels. We were not recommending routine estradiol levels until the new data came from out from the UK saying that about 20% of patients were going to be poor absorbers of the transdermal options. That got us motivated to check.

Also said
“Symptom control and disease protection may have different thresholds in your body.”— Succinctly captures the core rationale for measuring levels beyond symptom relief.
“I am on the highest dose patch. There's no more than this. And I measured my levels twice and they did not approach bone protection.”— Personal anecdote illustrating the clinical gap she discovered.

adding-oral-estrogen-to-patch-for-bone-and-cholesterol

Haver combines a transdermal estradiol patch with a low-dose oral estradiol at night to achieve bone-protective estradiol levels and improve cholesterol, a practice she does not recommend for everyone but uses herself.

Why this matters: This dual-route approach is unconventional and challenges the typical either/or choice between oral and transdermal estrogen, highlighting that the two routes have different metabolic effects (liver first-pass vs. bypass).

Background

Transdermal estrogen bypasses the liver, avoiding increased clotting risk and SHBG elevation, but may not provide the same cholesterol benefits as oral estrogen, which goes through the liver first. Oral estrogen, however, carries a slight increase in clotting risk and raises SHBG, which can bind testosterone and worsen libido.

Haver explains that after realizing her patch alone wasn't getting her estradiol high enough for bone protection, she considered adding a second patch but faced insurance hurdles. Instead, she added a very low dose of oral estradiol at night. She notes that oral estrogen improved her cholesterol more than the patch alone, bringing it into the normal range. She emphasizes this is not a blanket recommendation but an individualized solution based on her labs and goals. She also cautions that oral estrogen can increase SHBG, potentially worsening libido or genitourinary syndrome, so monitoring is key.

Personal experience

Haver shares that her cholesterol rose shockingly in menopause. Diet, exercise, and the patch brought it down somewhat, but adding the oral estradiol normalized it. She takes it at night for convenience alongside other nighttime medications.

Adding in the touch of oral estradiol, which I happen to take at night because I'm taking some other stuff at night, too. And it's just easy for me to remember, did get my cholesterol back in the normal range.

Also said
“Another key point about oral estradile because it does go into the liver first. We see improvements in cholesterol more than with the patch.”— Explains the mechanistic rationale for the oral add-on.

topical-estrogen-for-facial-skin

Haver applies a topical estriol cream to her face daily for cosmetic skin benefits, noting it is not systemically absorbed and can be used by anyone.

Why this matters: Using vaginal estrogen or dedicated estriol creams on the face is a growing but still off-label practice; Haver normalizes it as part of her routine.

Background

Estrogen receptors are present in skin, and declining estrogen contributes to thinning, dryness, and wrinkles. Topical estrogen has been studied for skin aging, but it is not a standard recommendation.

Haver explains that one can use vaginal estrogen cream on the face, but the alcohol base can be drying. She prefers a dedicated estriol cream (0.3%) in a moisturizing base, which she applies every morning under makeup. She emphasizes that this is purely cosmetic and not something she recommends to every patient due to cost, but she includes it for transparency.

Personal experience

She uses it daily and finds it easier to apply than the vaginal cream, with no dryness issues.

This is topical estrogen for my face. So, you actually can take this vaginal estrogen cream and put it on your face. ... I have chosen to do this cream that has estriol which is a cousin of estradiol and it's a .3% it has been studied showing efficacy and safety.

Also said
“The nice thing about topical, anyone can use it. Anyone can use vaginal. Anyone can use it on the skin.”— Highlights the broad safety profile of topical estrogen.

dhea-for-vulvar-health

Haver uses an over-the-counter DHEA cream (Julva) on the vulva to provide local estrogen and testosterone for genitourinary syndrome of menopause (GSM).

Why this matters: DHEA is a precursor that converts to both estradiol and testosterone in tissues, offering a dual approach that is not as widely discussed as vaginal estrogen alone.

Background

GSM involves thinning, dryness, and pain of the vulvovaginal tissues. While vaginal estrogen is standard, some women need additional androgen support because the vestibule has androgen receptors.

Haver explains that she uses a lower-dose DHEA cream from her friend Dr. Kelly Casperson (brand Julva) on the vulva, in addition to vaginal estrogen. DHEA converts locally to estradiol and testosterone, addressing both estrogen and androgen receptors. She notes that the FDA-approved vaginal DHEA suppository (Intrarosa) is expensive and not generic, so she prefers this OTC option. She likes the texture and the added vitamin D in the product.

Personal experience

She uses it herself and is a 'huge fan', finding it provides extra protection beyond vaginal estrogen alone.

DHEA will in the cells convert to estradiol and testosterone both there are androgen receptors in the vestibule in the vulva and so you're getting both estrogen and testosterone.

Also said
“This is a lower dose DHEA from my friend Kelly Caspersonson for the ulva. I really like the texture of it and I just like having that little bit of extra protection.”— Personal endorsement and product name.

neurokinin-3-antagonists-for-hot-flashes

Haver highlights fezolinetant (Veozah) as a new non-hormonal option that targets the neurokinin 3 receptor in the brain's thermoregulatory center to reduce hot flashes.

Why this matters: This is a novel drug class that offers an alternative for women who cannot or choose not to use hormones, including breast cancer patients on tamoxifen, for whom SSRI paroxetine is contraindicated.

Background

Previously, non-hormonal options for hot flashes were limited to SSRIs like paroxetine, gabapentin, or clonidine. Fezolinetant directly blocks the neurokinin 3 receptor, which is involved in the thermoregulatory dysfunction of menopause.

Haver explains that fezolinetant (Veozah) and a newer competitor from Bayer are neurokinin 3 receptor antagonists that stabilize the thermoregulatory center without systemic estrogen. They are particularly useful for active breast cancer patients or those with contraindications to estrogen. She notes that paroxetine (Brisdelle) is FDA-approved for hot flashes but is contraindicated with tamoxifen because it inhibits the enzyme that converts tamoxifen to its active metabolite. Fezolinetant does not have this interaction, making it a valuable option. Cost is currently high, and generics are years away.

So if you're an active breast cancer patient who's been told you're not a candidate for estrogen, these medications can be really helpful.

Also said
“I'm happy to say that the tmoxifin patients can actually take the neurocinine receptor antagonist and can have benefit.”— Addresses a critical drug interaction gap.

oral-minoxidil-for-hair-loss

Haver switched from topical to low-dose oral minoxidil (2.5 mg) for menopausal hair loss, finding it more convenient and effective.

Why this matters: Oral minoxidil for hair loss is an off-label use gaining popularity; Haver provides dosing, cost, and mechanism details.

Background

Topical minoxidil is standard for androgenetic alopecia, but it can be messy and inconvenient. Low-dose oral minoxidil is increasingly used off-label by dermatologists for hair loss.

Haver describes her experience with perimenopausal hair loss, which she likened to postpartum shedding. After working with dermatologists and ruling out other causes (low iron, etc.), she used topical 5% minoxidil for years but found it messy and incompatible with hair coloring. She switched to oral minoxidil 2.5 mg (half of a 5 mg tablet) at a cost of about $5 for a three-month supply. She explains that minoxidil prolongs the anagen (growth) phase of the hair cycle and dilates blood vessels to the follicle. The dose for hair is far lower than the 10–40 mg used for blood pressure. She emphasizes that anyone with hair loss should first check vitamin D, ferritin, and see a dermatologist.

Personal experience

She shares her struggle with hair loss, the messiness of topical minoxidil, and the ease of the oral version, stating she is happy to have her hair back.

It is $5 for a 9month or three month supply. It's really it's generic. It's so inexpensive.

Also said
“Orinoxidil works by prolonging the growth phase of the hair cycle. So, our hair has a growing phase, a falling out phase, and a resting phase. And it also helps to dilate the blood vessels that feed the hair follicle to keep the follicle healthy.”— Explains the dual mechanism.

Recommendations

Products, supplements, and tools mentioned in the episode

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Generic Estradiol Transdermal Patch

Product

Haver recommends the generic estradiol patch as her first-line systemic estrogen due to continuous dosing, liver bypass, and lower clotting risk. She uses the 0.1 mg/day patch changed twice weekly.

She explains that patches come in various doses (0.025–0.1 mg/day) and can be changed twice weekly or weekly. She prefers twice-weekly for steady state. She notes the current shortage and suggests alternatives like gels or sprays if patches are unavailable.

vs alternatives

Compared to oral estrogen, patches avoid first-pass liver metabolism, reducing clotting risk and SHBG elevation. Compared to gels/sprays, patches provide continuous rather than once-daily dosing, which she prefers for brain fog.

Personal experience

She uses the generic patch on Tuesdays and Fridays, synced with trash day as a reminder.

I chose the patch for specific reasons. One, I like a continuous dose. I like a continuous steadystate approach.

Also said
“Multiple large studies including the Esther trial and the keeps trial showed that transmal estradiol again does not carry the same venus throbo embolism or blood clotting risk that the oral formulations do.”— Evidence basis for safety.
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Oral Micronized Progesterone (Prometrium)

Product

Haver recommends oral micronized progesterone as the preferred progestogen for endometrial protection and sleep, taken at bedtime.

She explains that it is bioidentical, converts to allopregnanolone for sleep, and is available in 100 mg and 200 mg capsules. She notes it is peanut oil-based, so those with peanut allergy need a compounded alternative. She prefers continuous dosing over cycling.

vs alternatives

Compared to synthetic progestins (medroxyprogesterone, norethindrone), micronized progesterone is bioidentical, has a better sleep profile, and may have a more favorable cardiovascular and breast risk profile, though all protect the uterus.

Personal experience

She takes 200 mg nightly and says she never misses it because of the sleep benefit.

I depend on it so much to help me have that good calm sleep.

Also said
“Many clinicians, most of us in the menopausey do prefer oral micronized progesterone as our go-to because we're mimicking what the ovary actually did.”— Standard of care preference.
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AndroGel 1% (Testosterone Gel)

Product

Haver uses AndroGel off-label for female testosterone replacement, applying a pea-sized amount (~5 mg) daily. She recommends it as an affordable alternative to pellets or compounded creams.

She explains that there is no FDA-approved testosterone product for women in the US, so clinicians must use men's products off-label. She prefers the gel in a tube (not packets) for precise dosing. She notes the cost is about $55 for a 6-month supply with a coupon.

vs alternatives

Compared to pellets, the gel allows dose adjustment and avoids supraphysiologic levels. Compared to compounded creams, it is FDA-regulated for consistency. Cost is much lower than pellets.

Personal experience

She uses it daily on her inner wrists and has noticed improved energy and libido.

This cost me about $55 with a coupon and lasts about six months. So, very, very, very affordable.

Also said
“Those of you who are paying hundreds of dollars every every quarter for your pellets, I want you to ask your clinician, is there another way? You don't have to spend that much money to get excellent excellent FDA approved monitored great testosterone.”— Direct cost comparison and advocacy.
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Generic Vaginal Estradiol Cream

Product

Haver recommends generic vaginal estradiol cream as the most affordable option for GSM, costing about $15 per tube. She applies it twice weekly.

She explains that it can be messy and the alcohol base may irritate some, but it is highly effective and cheap. She provides detailed application instructions and emphasizes its life-saving potential in preventing UTIs and urosepsis.

vs alternatives

Compared to vaginal tablets (Vagifem), suppositories (Imvexxy), or the ring (Femring), the cream is the least expensive but messiest. The ring is most convenient but costly and not generic.

Personal experience

She uses it twice weekly on patch days.

This little tube will save lives.

Also said
“This tube probably should cost you no more than $15.”— Cost transparency.
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Julva (DHEA Cream) by Dr. Kelly Casperson

Product

An over-the-counter DHEA cream for the vulva that converts locally to estrogen and testosterone, helping with GSM symptoms like pain and dryness.

Haver prefers this to the prescription Intrarosa due to cost and texture. It contains vitamin D and is oil-based, providing moisturization along with hormone precursors.

vs alternatives

Compared to Intrarosa (prescription DHEA suppository), Julva is OTC, less expensive, and can be applied directly to the vulva rather than relying on leakage from a vaginal suppository.

Personal experience

She uses it and is a 'huge fan'.

This is a lower dose DHEA from my friend Kelly Caspersonson for the ulva. I really like the texture of it and I just like having that little bit of extra protection.

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Midi Health

Service Sponsored · disclosed

Midi Health is a virtual menopause clinic staffed by clinicians who specialize in menopause care, offering personalized, evidence-based treatment covered by insurance in all 50 states.

DisclosureSponsor of the podcast; Haver is a paid partner.

Haver emphasizes that Midi takes a comprehensive approach to healthspan, including metabolic health, bone density, cardiovascular risk, and cognitive function. She contrasts it with the historical dismissal of women's symptoms and positions it as proactive, long-term care.

vs alternatives

Unlike traditional in-person care where women are often dismissed, Midi provides specialized, accessible virtual visits with clinicians trained in menopause.

Midi is a virtual menopause clinic staffed by clinicians who listen, who take your symptoms seriously, and never utter the words, 'It's all in your head.'

Also said
“MIDI delivers the kind of proactive, evidence-based care I've always believed women deserve.”— Aligns with her philosophy.
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Alloy Health M4 Line (Estriol Face Cream, Serum, Eye Cream)

Product Sponsored · disclosed

Alloy's M4 line uses estriol to address hormonal skin changes in midlife, including loss of firmness, texture, and radiance. Haver uses the face cream daily.

DisclosureSponsor of the episode; Haver received the product and is a paid partner.

Haver explains that a dermatologist friend recommended Alloy because few products address hormonal skin aging. She tried it and found it effective. The line includes a face cream, serum, and eye cream, all prescription-strength. She applies the cream every morning under makeup.

vs alternatives

Compared to using vaginal estrogen cream on the face, Alloy's estriol cream is in a moisturizing base, avoiding the drying effect of alcohol-based creams.

Personal experience

She says it changed the way she thinks about skin care in this stage of life and uses it daily.

Once I understood that Alloys approach is rooted in hormone science and physiology, I decided to try it myself and it has changed the way I think about skin care in this stage of life.

Also said
“You're going to notice a visible boost in firmness, a smoother texture, and a much more radiant complexion.”— Specific benefits claimed.
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The Pause Life Omega-3 + Vitamin D + K

Supplement Sponsored · disclosed

A combined supplement providing 4,000 IU vitamin D, 1,200 mg EPA, 800 mg DHA, and vitamin K. Third-party tested for purity.

DisclosureHaver owns The Pause Life supplement company.

Haver created this because she was tired of recommending multiple separate supplements. She emphasizes the importance of vitamin D testing and notes that most menopausal women are deficient. The combination is convenient and synergistic.

vs alternatives

Compared to separate supplements, this is more convenient and ensures proper ratios. It is third-party tested, unlike many store brands.

Personal experience

She takes it daily.

Super proud that we were able to meet those goals and have really good high quality supplements on things that were actually studied in women in menopause and not 25-year-old male athlete.

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The Pause Life Minnow Multi (Methylated B Vitamins + CoQ10 + Genistein)

Supplement Sponsored · disclosed

A once-daily multivitamin with methylated B vitamins, CoQ10, and genistein, designed for menopausal women's homocysteine and cardiometabolic health.

DisclosureHaver owns The Pause Life.

Haver explains that she formulated this after seeing high homocysteine levels in patients. The methylated B vitamins bypass common genetic variants, and genistein adds anti-inflammatory and bone benefits.

vs alternatives

Unlike standard multivitamins, this uses methylated forms and includes CoQ10 and genistein, which are not typically found in multis.

Personal experience

She takes it daily.

I wanted to make a multi-use and multi-layered product because there's so many good studies that looking at women in menopause and co-enzyme Q10 and heart health.

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The Pause Life Skin & Bone Collagen (Verisol + Fortibone)

Supplement Sponsored · disclosed

A collagen powder combining Verisol (skin) and Fortibone (bone) peptides, studied in menopausal women for wrinkles, cellulite, and bone density.

DisclosureHaver owns The Pause Life.

Haver was impressed by the 5-year Fortibone study in osteopenic/osteoporotic menopausal women showing bone benefit without other interventions. She combined it with Verisol for a dual-purpose product.

vs alternatives

Most collagen products target only skin or joints; this one specifically addresses bone with a clinically studied peptide.

Personal experience

She adds two scoops to her daily shake.

I got super excited about Forivone when the studies were studied in menopausal women with osteoporosis and osteopenia and they saw benefit to their bones and they weren't on any other intervention.

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The Pause Life Whey Protein + Creatine

Supplement Sponsored · disclosed

A whey protein powder with added creatine, available in chocolate and vanilla, designed to support muscle maintenance and recovery in menopausal women.

DisclosureHaver owns The Pause Life.

Haver references research on creatine in women and notes that aging reduces endogenous production. She combines it with whey for a convenient post-workout or meal replacement shake.

vs alternatives

Combines protein and creatine in one product, reducing the number of supplements needed.

Personal experience

She uses one scoop in her morning shake and adds extra creatine to her water.

Studies on women are looking extremely good. ... We can't make as much as we age.

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The Pause Life Fiber Supplement

Supplement Sponsored · disclosed

A flavorless fiber powder (8 g per scoop) that can be added to any beverage to help women reach the 35–38 g daily fiber goal for cardiovascular protection.

DisclosureHaver owns The Pause Life.

Haver notes that most women get only 25 g from diet, but cardiovascular guidelines recommend higher intakes. She uses it to consistently exceed 35 g.

vs alternatives

Flavorless and easily mixable, unlike some gritty or flavored fiber products.

Personal experience

She adds it to her shake or coffee.

For cardiovascular protection, women want to get 35 to 38 grams. So this just gets me over the top.

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The Pause Life Pause Sleep (Theanine, Magnesium Glycinate, Melatonin)

Supplement Sponsored · disclosed

A sleep supplement formulated with a sleep medicine specialist, containing alpha-wave theanine, magnesium glycinate, and 3 mg sustained-release melatonin.

DisclosureHaver owns The Pause Life.

Haver explains that she partnered with Dr. Andrea Mapsura to create an evidence-based product for menopausal sleep disruption (when hot flashes are not the cause). The three ingredients target mind, body, and circadian rhythm.

vs alternatives

Unlike standalone melatonin or sedatives, this combination addresses multiple aspects of sleep without causing dependency or poor sleep architecture.

Personal experience

She takes two capsules around 7–8 PM and finds it effective.

So relax your body, relax your mind, reset the circadium rhythm.

Also said
“I was overdosing melatonin. I never understood how to use it.”— Highlights the educational gap this product addresses.
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The Pause Life Creatine Monohydrate

Supplement Sponsored · disclosed

A creatine monohydrate powder in a two-month supply container, recommended for muscle recovery, brain fog, and sleep in aging women.

DisclosureHaver owns The Pause Life.

Haver cites research from Dr. Abby Smith-Ryan and notes that creatine is not just for athletes; aging reduces natural production. She adds it to her water with electrolytes.

vs alternatives

Pure creatine monohydrate is the most studied form; her product is third-party tested.

Personal experience

She uses it daily in her water.

Most of us should be taking creatine. We just can't make enough of it.

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Notable quotes

Lines worth pulling out — contrarian, specific, or perfectly phrased

6 items
Menopause is inevitable, but suffering is not.
Encapsulates the entire episode's empowering message in a memorable soundbite.
The pull out method is not it. I have too many permenopausal babies that I've delivered from the pull out method. 100% would not recommend.
Humorous, blunt, and clinically grounded warning about contraception during perimenopause.
Symptom control and disease protection may have different thresholds in your body.
Core clinical insight that challenges the standard 'treat to symptoms' approach and justifies measuring estradiol levels.
This little tube will save lives. We can decrease 50% of urinary tract infections in postmenopausal women by using this prophylactically. And when we do that, we will cut down on 50% of urospsis and death from eurospsis.
Powerful, data-driven advocacy for an underutilized, inexpensive treatment.
You cannot take a bucket of supplements and expect to have a miracle happen if you are not backing that up with good, high quality nutrition.
Blunt reminder that supplements are adjuncts, not substitutes, for a healthy diet.
I was overdosing melatonin. I never understood how to use it.
Candid admission that even experts can misuse common supplements, highlighting the need for education.

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