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Exercise Scientist Tries LeanBeefPatty’s Back Workout (Is It Actually Good?)
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Exercise Scientist Tries LeanBeefPatty’s Back Workout (Is It Actually Good?)

Mike Israetel
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TL;DR

The four things you'd lose by not watching

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TL;DR

The four things you'd lose by not watching

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Pull-up total rep goal of 40: accumulate across sets, avoiding failure each set; meets threshold for high-threshold motor unit activation for hypertrophy, but adjust if your first set is <5 or >15 reps.

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Lat pull-down form: pull to chest (shoulder height), not to thighs, to keep tension on lats; also stand on the seat for proper line of pull if you're short.

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Shoulders can handle very high volume: spamming lateral raises (80+ total reps) is effective because delts are small, produce low force, and don't get deep stretch.

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Hammer curls are redundant if you row and pull-up enough; favor supinated curls for biceps, and swap dumbbell chest-supported rows for more stable options like landmine rows.

Protocols

Concrete recipes — what, when, how much, and why

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Jump-rope warm-up for upper body days

WhatPerform 1–2 minutes of vigorous jump roping before the workout.
WhenAt the start of upper body or back/shoulder sessions.
Dose1–2 minutes, continuous and vigorous.
For whomAnyone, especially those who want a time-efficient total-body warm-up without machines.
WhyRaises heart rate and moves all limbs, especially shoulders, to prepare for heavy pulling and pressing.

Mike highlights that the arm motion involved in jumping rope preps the shoulder girdle and gets blood circulating, which he found beneficial before his pull workout. He admitted being clumsy but endorsed it.

Personal experience

Mike had not jump roped since childhood; he tripped multiple times but still felt it was an effective warm-up.

Just 1 or 2 minutes of vigorous jump roping get your heart rate up and it actually moves around all your limbs, which is good.

Also said
“It's good for your shoulders.”— Directs the benefit to the target muscles.

Pull-up total rep accumulation (40 reps)

WhatAccumulate 40 total pull-up reps across multiple sets, resting as needed, without going to failure on every set.
WhenPlace as the first exercise of the workout, when fresh.
Dose40 total reps; sets can be 5, 8, 10, 12, or 15 reps depending on ability. Example: 15, 10, 8, 7.
For whomLifters who can do at least 5–8 pull-ups per set when fresh; not for beginners who max at <5 reps.
WhyEven submaximal reps activate high-threshold motor units for lat growth, and avoiding failure reduces systemic fatigue.
CaveatsIf your first set maximum is >15 clean reps, 40 total may be low volume, so increase total. If you can only do 1–5 reps per set, 40 total is far too much and risks joint/tendon overuse.

Mike explains that the beauty of the 40-total approach is flexibility—you can auto-regulate based on how you feel each set. If strong, push a high-rep first set; if tired, drop to 5-6 reps. It keeps the workout psychologically low-pressure. He contrasted it with the dogmatic 4x10, noting that it's essentially 3-4 sets' worth of volume for someone who can do 10-12 reps. For heavier, older lifters, he recommends lat pulldown warm-ups to save joints.

Mechanism

Pull-ups require high motor unit recruitment even at low reps because of the bodyweight load; meeting 'minimum threshold' activation across submaximal sets drives hypertrophy without excessive damage.

Personal experience

He did 12, 10, 8, 4, and others to reach 40, starting with lat pulldown warm-ups because he weighs 228 lbs and is 41 years old.

the total of 40. That like pull-ups are so hard and so heavy that even if you go a few reps at a time, you're meeting like the minimum threshold to activate most of your large high threshold motor units.

Also said
“If you can do like over 15 pull-ups in your first set, a sum total of 40 is like not a ton of volume, but like three or four sets equivalent, which is like fine.”— Contextualizes the volume for strong athletes.
“If you can do like one to five reps in the first set of pull-ups like close to failure, like don't do 40. That's like fucking insane.”— Crucial caveat for weaker lifters.

Lat pull-down form correction (pull to chest, not thighs)

WhatOn the lat pull-down, pull the bar only to roughly shoulder/upper chest height, not down to the thighs.
WhenEvery repetition of the lat pull-down.
DosePerformed across sets (e.g., 4 sets of 10–12 reps).
For whomAll lifters using the lat pull-down.
WhyPulling past the chest shifts tension from the lats to triceps and lower pecs, turning the movement into a push-down hybrid; stopping at the chest keeps the lats as prime movers.

Mike sees this mistake often among older lifters. He jokingly references a TikTok 'Mario coin' sound as the marker of correct depth. He also emphasizes riding out the eccentric slowly for more growth per rep. Additionally, he shares a tip for short individuals to stand on the seat to adjust the machine height so they can pull in the correct path.

Mechanism

When the bar descends below shoulder height, the line of pull becomes more vertical relative to the torso, demanding more elbow extension (triceps) and pectoral engagement rather than lat adduction.

Personal experience

He performed 4 sets of 10–12 with a controlled eccentric, noting that it's an effective way to maximize utility from each rep.

The mistake that I usually see people make, instead of pulling here to their chest... is they go like this. That's not a lat pull-down. That gets weird... at some point it turns into a push-down.

Also said
“Your back's no longer the target. Your triceps become a massive target and actually your chest, especially the lower pecs.”— Clarifies the recruitment change.
“You can make sure the muscle contracts concentrically and eccentrically.”— Emphasizes tempo for better results.

Use stable equipment for chest-supported rows

WhatReplace dumbbell chest-supported rows with machine chest-supported rows, landmine rows, or corner rows to maximize force output.
WhenAny time you program a row for back thickness.
DoseSets and reps as per your program (Mike did 2 sets of 12–16 reps with dumbbells as a compromise).
For whomAnyone seeking maximal back thickness, especially those with access to machines or landmine setups.
WhyDumbbells introduce instability that limits total force production, reducing hypertrophy stimulus compared to stable alternatives.

Mike doesn't hate the exercise but acknowledges that the instability of independent dumbbells forces you to stabilize instead of exert maximal pulling force. He prefers machines with a single handle (or landmine) that allow heavier loads and more tension on the back. He conceded doing 2 sets of dumbbell rows for the video because LeanBeefPatty prescribed it, but in his own training he uses alternatives.

Personal experience

He says he's prioritizing upper back width over thickness currently, so rows are low priority, but when he does them he avoids the dumbbell chest-supported version.

I absolutely do not love this exercise because of the instability of the dumbbells, your total force output's going to be substantially lower than it would be like on a 45° like chest support row, like a proper one with one connector. Like a corner row, landmine row.

Supinated-only bicep curls (skip hammer curls)

WhatDo all bicep curls with a supinated grip to maximize biceps recruitment; avoid hammer curls because pulling exercises already cover that movement pattern.
WhenDuring biceps programming.
DoseApply to all curl variations; example: 3 sets of supinated curls.
For whomLifters who already perform sufficient pulling volume.
WhyRows, pull-ups, and pulldowns heavily involve forearm flexion in the hammer position, making hammer curls redundant; supinated curls better target the biceps brachii for arm size.
CaveatsIf pulling volume is minimal or brachioradialis is a weak point, some hammer work might be added; Mike's preference is to keep curls supinated even so.

Mike dissected LeanBeefPatty's superset of heavy hammer curls + light supinated curls. He did the workout but stated that, for himself, he would simply do all supinated curls. This is a simplification that saves time and directs all recovery to the biceps.

Mechanism

The biceps crosses the shoulder and elbow and has greatest leverage as a supinator/elbow flexor when the forearm is supinated; hammer-grip relies more on brachioradialis and brachialis, which are heavily loaded during rows/pull-ups.

Personal experience

He says: 'I typically am not a big fan of hammer curls... I like to keep all of my curls, as many as possible, pretty goddamn supinated.'

I typically am not a big fan of hammer curls because if you notice like almost all of your pulling movements you do, pull-ups, rows, etc. are in that position anyway... I like to keep all of my curls, as many as possible, pretty goddamn supinated.

High-volume lateral raises (spam for delt growth)

WhatAccumulate a very high total rep count (e.g., 80 reps) of lateral raises in a single session, using multiple sets.
WhenOn shoulder or push days; can be done frequently because delts recover fast.
DoseTotal 80+ reps; example: 4 sets of 20 reps with moderate weight. Warm up with a lighter set first.
For whomIntermediate-advanced lifters who need more stimulus for shoulder growth.
WhyShoulders are small, don't get a deep stretch, and can't generate high force, so they sustain minimal muscle damage and can handle extreme volume.
CaveatsBeginners should build up volume gradually; some may need only 4–6 sets. Ensure proper form to avoid impingement.

Mike explicitly rejects the standard 4x12 recommendation for himself, explaining that he needs substantially more volume because he's adapted. He agrees with the concept of 'spamming' lateral raises, though he wishes a more precise metric existed. He chose to do about 80 total reps with a weight that allowed good form.

Mechanism

Deltoids are short-muscle groups with limited eccentric loading under stretch, reducing mechanical tension-induced damage and allowing faster recovery, so frequency and volume can be higher than for larger muscle groups.

Personal experience

He says: 'I'm going to do something like a little different because I need like fucking bigger delts. I just had enough. And so I'm going to do like a 20 arm weight or so and I'm going to do a sum total of like 80 reps.'

Your shoulders can recover from an unbelievable amount of stimulus, especially from exercises like laterals. This is because your shoulders are not a very large muscle group. They're not very strong in any particular direction, like just your ability to lateral raise is not that great. And they don't get into a super stretched position, so they can't take on as much damage, which means that you can absolutely train the living dog shit out of your delts.

Also said
“Spamming isn't that far off. I'd love a metric for how many sets and reps to do, but a lot is absolutely factual.”— Affirms the high-volume concept.

What's new

Personal practice updates, fresh positions, predictions

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Jump rope as adult warm-up

Mike hadn't jump roped since age 10; trying it in LeanBeefPatty's workout reminded him that 1-2 minutes is an excellent upper-body warm-up for heart rate and limb movement.

Why this matters: Many lifters skip or overcomplicate warm-ups; this simple tool moved his shoulders through full range before heavy pulling.

Background

Traditional warm-ups often involve static stretching or light cardio; jump rope provides ballistic movement specific to lifting.

He found the jump rope effective despite initial awkwardness. The vigorous arm movement prepares shoulders and gets blood flowing. He tripped but still recommended it.

Personal experience

He attempted it in the video, missing occasionally, and noted it was the first time since childhood. 'I haven't jump roped since I was like 10 or something.'

so like scientifically, jump rope is an excellent warm-up. Just 1 or 2 minutes of vigorous jump roping get your heart rate up and it actually moves around all your limbs, which is good cuz like lean beef said that.

Also said
“It's good for your shoulders.”— Specific benefit for upper-body day.

Dumping hammer curls for supinated-only biceps work

Mike argues hammer curls are superfluous because pulling exercises already train forearm flexion in that position; he now exclusively uses supinated curls for maximal biceps recruitment.

Why this matters: Many lifters include hammer curls by default; this is a contrarian stance that simplifies programming.

Background

Conventional arm routines often mix grip positions. Hammer curls are thought to target brachialis and brachioradialis, but Mike sees them as redundant given daily pulling.

He explains that pull-ups and rows already heavily involve the muscles that hammer curls train. To prioritize biceps hypertrophy, he recommends keeping all curls supinated.

Personal experience

He states: 'I typically am not a big fan of hammer curls because if you notice like almost all of your pulling movements you do, pull-ups, rows, etc. are in that position anyway.' He then did the programmed superset but clearly prefers supinated curls.

So forearm flexion and the muscles responsible for that are already kind of well taken care of. I like to keep all of my curls, as many as possible, pretty goddamn supinated so as to uh get the biceps involved maximally.

Replacing dumbbell chest-supported rows with stable machine/bar variants

Mike finds dumbbell chest-supported rows too unstable, reducing force output; he personally uses landmine rows or machine 45° rows for back thickness.

Why this matters: The exercise has gained popularity, yet he critiques its instability, which contradicts trendy social-media promotion.

Background

Dumbbell chest-supported rows are often touted as a way to protect the lower back while hitting the mid-back, but the independent handling of dumbbells introduces instability that limits loading.

He notes that the instability forces reduced total force output, which is counterproductive for hypertrophy. Alternatives like a landmine or machine corner row allow heavier loading with full stability.

Personal experience

He says: 'I absolutely do not love this exercise because of the instability of the dumbbells, your total force output's going to be substantially lower than it would be like on a 45° like chest support row, like a proper one with one connector. Like a corner row, landmine row.'

I absolutely do not love this exercise because of the instability of the dumbbells, your total force output's going to be substantially lower...

Also said
“I'm trying to prioritize upper back width currently in my own actual program. Thickness I have like plenty of... so I'm not doing too many sets of rows nowadays.”— Explains why he would skip this exercise even if it were stable.

High-volume shoulder spam with 80 total lateral raise reps

Mike increased the standard 4x12 lateral raise prescription to 80 total reps because delts recover quickly and need more volume to grow.

Why this matters: He explicitly says 4x12 was 'not cutting it' for his deli development, advocating a much higher session volume.

Background

Typical programs prescribe moderate volume for shoulders, but Mike argues their small size and inability to be stretched deeply allows extreme training frequency/volume.

He explains that delts are not strong in any direction, don't get into a deep stretch, and thus accumulate less muscle damage, allowing near-daily training. To force growth, he needs more total work in the session.

Personal experience

He says: 'I'm used to this much volume, so I need more. 4 by 12 is not cutting it... your girl's getting big delts or bust.' He used 20 lb arms and did 80 reps.

For me, I'm used to this much volume, so I need more. 4 by 12 is not cutting it, Lean Beef. I mean your delts are like great, but they just like don't have enough hair on them. And in order to get more hair on them, you got to do more volume.

Also said
“Your shoulders can recover from an unbelievable amount of stimulus, especially from exercises like laterals.”— Rationale for high volume.

Recommendations

Products, supplements, and tools mentioned in the episode

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Jump rope

Tool

Used for a 1–2 minute warm-up before upper-body workouts to elevate heart rate and mobilize shoulders.

Mike hadn't used one in decades but found it effective. No specific brand recommended; any basic jump rope works.

vs alternatives

Compared to static stretching or light cycling, jump rope involves more shoulder and arm motion, making it better for pre-pull activation.

Personal experience

He struggled initially but still endorsed it.

Just 1 or 2 minutes of vigorous jump roping get your heart rate up and it actually moves around all your limbs.

Find Jump

Stand on the lat pull-down seat for correct line of pull (short individuals)

Practice

If you are short, stand on the seat to adjust the bar path so you can pull to chest height without leaning excessively.

LeanBeefPatty demonstrated this trick; Mike endorsed it, noting it removes the need to 'pretend I'm 5'8" and complain about the rack'. It's a simple but underutilized fix.

vs alternatives

Alternative is using a different machine or adjusting the bench, but standing on the seat is instant and effective.

Personal experience

He witnessed it and reacted positively.

Take this off, pull it down. There you go. It's adjusted. That's real smart, man.

Find Stand

Use lat pulldown as a warm-up for pull-ups (for heavy/older lifters)

Practice

Perform 2–3 light sets of lat pulldowns before pull-ups to prepare the joints without using the same movement right away.

Mike, at 228 lbs and 41, uses this to spare his joints. He did sets of 12, 8, and then a final warm-up set of 4 pull-ups before accumulating his 40 reps.

vs alternatives

LeanBeefPatty does shoulder shrug warm-ups for pull-ups, but Mike finds machine pull-downs more joint-friendly and better at modulating load.

Personal experience

He says: 'since I'm like kind of bagged, I weigh like 228 today, and I've like I'm a little bit like 41 years old, so my joints aren't like spring chickens anymore. So I'm just going to do pull-down warm-ups.'

I'm just going to do pull-down warm-ups for a set of 12 and a set of eight and then a set of four. And then I'm going to do like probably that last set of four I'll just do with actual pull-ups.

Find Use

Prioritize stable rows (landmine, machine, corner row) over dumbbell chest-supported rows

Practice

When programming rows for back thickness, choose exercises with a single connection point to the resistance for maximal force output.

Mike explained that the instability of holding two dumbbells independently forces you to stabilize rather than produce maximum pulling force, which limits hypertrophy. He prefers landmine rows or machine chest-supported rows.

vs alternatives

Dumbbell chest-supported rows are less stable and limit load; 45° machine or landmine rows allow heavier weight and better back tension.

Personal experience

He found the dumbbell version awkward and did fewer sets; in his own program he uses stable alternatives.

I absolutely do not love this exercise because of the instability of the dumbbells, your total force output's going to be substantially lower than it would be like on a 45° like chest support row, like a proper one with one connector. Like a corner row, landmine row.

Find Prioritize

Notable quotes

Lines worth pulling out — contrarian, specific, or perfectly phrased

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the total of 40. That like pull-ups are so hard and so heavy that even if you go a few reps at a time, you're meeting like the minimum threshold to activate most of your large high threshold motor units.
Captures the hypertrophy rationale behind a total-rep approach to pull-ups.
Your shoulders can recover from an unbelievable amount of stimulus, especially from exercises like laterals... you can absolutely train the living dog shit out of your delts.
Bold endorsement of extremely high shoulder volume, with mechanistic reasoning.
I typically am not a big fan of hammer curls because if you notice like almost all of your pulling movements you do, pull-ups, rows, etc. are in that position anyway.
Contrarian simplification: ditch hammer curls if you pull enough.
the basics never left. They're like Justin Timberlake and sexy or something. But seriously, this stuff works, man.
Humorously reinforces that pull-ups, rows, curls, and laterals remain the foundation of effective training.
If you realize you're currently making that mistake, it's nothing to be ashamed of... I think a little bit of shame is good for society. If we had enough shame, I wouldn't be in this outfit.
Classic Mike mixture of technique guidance and self-deprecating comedy.

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