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The Best Diet For Thyroid Health
~115 min
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The Best Diet For Thyroid Health

Paul Saladino
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TL;DR

The four things you'd lose by not watching

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TL;DR

The four things you'd lose by not watching

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Low body temperature and pulse rate are indicators of low metabolism and potential thyroid issues, not longevity, contrary to some biohacking claims.

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Optimal thyroid function requires adequate intake of iodine, selenium, and zinc, primarily from animal foods, while avoiding goitrogenic plant compounds and excessive polyunsaturated fatty acids.

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Fasting, caloric restriction, and excessive exercise can negatively impact thyroid function by signaling scarcity to the body, leading to lower energy production.

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Desiccated thyroid and other organ supplements, like Heart and Soil's Thyroid Plus, can support thyroid health, potentially through both nutrient content and microRNAs, but caution is advised against megadosing iodine.

Protocols

Concrete recipes — what, when, how much, and why

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Monitor Body Temperature and Pulse Rate

WhatRegularly check morning body temperature and resting pulse rate as indicators of metabolic and thyroid health.
WhenMorning temperature: right after waking, before getting out of bed. Evening temperature: between 5 and 7 p.m.
DoseMorning temperature: aim for mid to high 97s Fahrenheit. Evening temperature: should rise slightly above morning. Resting pulse rate: aim for 60s-70s beats per minute.
For whomAnyone concerned about their metabolic health or thyroid function, especially those who cannot afford comprehensive blood work.
WhyThese are 'high-level reflections' of energy production and metabolic rate. Low readings can indicate suboptimal thyroid function and a 'scarcity' state.
CaveatsWomen may experience a 0.5 degree Fahrenheit higher body temperature during the luteal phase due to progesterone. Extremely low pulse rates (e.g., 30s-40s) often boasted by athletes, may indicate underlying thyroid stress, especially if not accompanied by a full thyroid panel.

Saladino emphasizes that while comprehensive blood work is ideal, monitoring body temperature and pulse rate offers accessible, tangible metrics for assessing thyroid health. A consistently low morning temperature (below mid-97s F) and a resting pulse rate below 60-70 bpm can signal that the body is in a 'scarcity' mode, with a furnace that isn't burning hot enough. He contrasts this with his own experience on a strict carnivore diet, where his body temperature was half a degree to 0.7 degrees Fahrenheit lower, making him feel chronically cold. He suggests that a healthy, vital state is characterized by a warmer body temperature and a pulse rate in the 60s-70s, reflecting adequate energy production.

You I think it's worthwhile taking your morning temperature right after you get out of bed in the morning. And you can take it with a digital oral thermometer is probably the most accurate way to do it. You want it to be like high 97s, probably mid to high 97.

Comprehensive Thyroid Blood Work

WhatGet a full panel of thyroid hormones and related markers.
For whomAnyone experiencing symptoms of subclinical hypothyroidism (brain fog, fatigue, feeling cold, infertility, low libido, stubborn weight gain) or with a family history of thyroid issues.
WhyStandard TSH tests are often insufficient and use outdated reference ranges, leading to underdiagnosis of hypothyroidism.
CaveatsMany doctors only check TSH, which has a clinical reference range (up to 4.5) that is considered too high by current literature (should be below 2.25 or 2.5).

Saladino stresses that a single TSH test is inadequate for a complete thyroid assessment. He explains that TSH (Thyroid Stimulating Hormone) is released by the pituitary to signal the thyroid, but it's only one piece of the puzzle. The thyroid then produces T4 and T3 (the active form), which are further modified in peripheral tissues. To truly understand thyroid function, one needs to measure TSH, free T3, free T4, and reverse T3. He also notes that nutrient analysis for iodine, selenium, and zinc is crucial, as these are essential building blocks for thyroid hormone production. He highlights that the commonly accepted TSH reference range is too broad, leading to many cases of subclinical hypothyroidism being missed.

Really to fully check your thyroid with labs, you need TSH, free T3, free T4, reverse T3, and it probably goes even deeper than that.

Prioritize Sleep

WhatEnsure adequate, high-quality sleep.
WhySleep is crucial for cellular regeneration, hormone balance, and preventing the shunting of T4 to inactive reverse T3, which negatively impacts thyroid function.

Saladino identifies sleep as a foundational element for overall health and thyroid function. He explains that insufficient sleep acts as a stressor, leading to an increase in reverse T3 (an inactive form of thyroid hormone) and a decrease in active thyroid hormones. This directly impacts the body's ability to regenerate cells and tissues, including the thyroid, and disrupts hormonal balance. Optimal sleep is presented as a central 'onion' layer, around which other healthy practices (light exposure, grounding, nutrition) revolve to support its quality. He emphasizes that without proper sleep, the body cannot effectively signal abundance, leading to a state of scarcity that negatively affects energy production.

We know that if you don't sleep, you're going to jack up your reverse T3. If you create stress in your body by not sleeping, that's when you regenerate all the cells and tissues of your body, including your brain and your hormones and your thyroid and your testicles and your ovaries, everything.

Consume Adequate Calories and Carbohydrates

WhatEnsure sufficient caloric intake, including moderate amounts of carbohydrates from healthy sources.
For whomIndividuals practicing caloric restriction, fasting, or very low-carbohydrate diets who are experiencing symptoms of low thyroid function.
WhyCalories and carbohydrates signal abundance to the body, supporting optimal thyroid function and energy production, whereas restriction signals scarcity.
CaveatsWhile some carbohydrate restriction may be prudent for diabetics in the short term, chronic restriction can be detrimental to thyroid health. The source of carbohydrates matters, favoring fruit and honey over grains and processed foods.

Saladino argues that caloric and carbohydrate restriction, often seen in biohacking or weight loss regimens, sends a signal of 'scarcity' to the body, which the thyroid interprets by downregulating metabolism. He notes that carbohydrates, particularly from sources like honey and fruit, are 'pro-thyroid' and have historically been signals of abundance for humans. He contrasts this with his personal experience on a strict carnivore diet, where his body temperature was lower, and he felt chronically cold, indicating a state of scarcity. He suggests that a moderate intake of carbohydrates (e.g., 50-100 grams/day from healthy sources) is beneficial for thyroid health and overall energy, even for diabetics, as long as the carbohydrates are not from problematic sources.

Adequate calories, adequate carbohydrates, right? organs, micronutrients, sleep. Yeah, those are big ones.

Optimize Light Exposure

WhatGet morning outdoor light exposure and minimize blue light exposure in the evening.
WhyOutdoor light, including infrared and UV (seasonally), supports overall physiology, while blue light at night disrupts circadian rhythms and sympathetic nervous system activity.

Saladino emphasizes the importance of natural light cycles for health. He recommends getting outdoor photons, full-spectrum light, and infrared light first thing in the morning, avoiding direct sun gazing but ensuring exposure to natural light. He also highlights the role of infrared light in melatonin production within mitochondria, suggesting that systemic melatonin deficiency is common due to lack of infrared exposure, which cannot be fully compensated by melatonin supplements. In the evening, he advises moderating blue light and flickering lights to support natural sleep cycles and prevent overactivation of the sympathetic nervous system, which can negatively impact thyroid function.

You probably need to get light in your eyes outdoors first thing in the morning. Obviously not staring directly into the sun, but getting actual outdoor photons, full spectrum light, infrared light outdoors, potentially some ultraviolet light exposure depending on where you are in the world and the time of year.

Limit Hormetic Stressors

WhatPractice hormetic stressors like cold plunges and saunas in moderation, avoiding extreme temperatures and durations.
For whomIndividuals engaging in cold plunges, saunas, or other hormetic practices.
WhyExcessive hormetic stress can negatively impact thyroid function, immune response, and fertility, signaling scarcity to the body.
CaveatsSauna temperatures above 190°F (88°C) are linked to higher dementia rates. Saunas can negatively affect male fertility for up to six weeks by cooking sperm. Cold plunges that are too cold can attenuate the immune response. Dosing and individual response are critical.

Saladino cautions against the 'more is better' mentality with hormetic stressors. He explains that while practices like saunas and cold plunges can have benefits, overdoing them constitutes a significant stressor on the body. This stress can lead to a 'scarcity' signal, negatively impacting energy production and thyroid function. He provides specific examples: saunas that are too hot can 'cook your brain' and are linked to dementia, while also temporarily impairing male fertility by overheating testicles. Similarly, overly cold or prolonged cold plunges can suppress the immune system. He advocates for a balanced approach, using these tools for neurochemical benefits and clarity, but within sensible limits, such as a 48°F cold plunge for short durations.

Personal experience

Saladino recounts getting rhabdomyolysis from a 10-minute cold plunge at 34°F, highlighting the dangers of overdoing it. He prefers his cold plunge at 48°F for no more than a minute or two between sauna rounds.

These are all stressors on the human body and they all contribute to this sort of balance of abundance versus scarcity and they can all negatively affect our energy production.

What's new

Personal practice updates, fresh positions, predictions

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Low Body Temperature as a Sign of Poor Metabolism

Paul Saladino challenges the notion that a low body temperature, as boasted by some biohackers, is a sign of health or longevity, arguing it indicates a low basal metabolism and suboptimal energy production.

Why this matters: This directly contradicts a popular biohacking trend and offers a physiological counter-argument based on metabolic health.

Background

Brian Johnson, a prominent biohacker, has publicly praised his low body temperature as a marker of longevity. John Speakman's research in Nature Medicine noted a significant decline in average human body temperature over recent decades, correlating with decreased basal metabolism despite increased exercise.

Saladino asserts that a low body temperature is a reflection of a 'colder burning engine' in human metabolism, indicating that the body is not efficiently producing energy. He references Ray Peat's concept that a healthy, vital human should have a 'furnace burning hot,' meaning a well-functioning metabolism. He argues that the idea of a 'candle burning twice as bright burns half as long' does not apply to human physiology; instead, a robust metabolism (a brighter burning candle) is associated with a longer, healthier life. This perspective directly challenges the longevity claims made by some who pursue extreme caloric restriction and other practices that lower body temperature.

I don't see a lot of justification for a colder burning engine in a human metabolism. Your mitochondria make energy. It's driven sort of by the signal that comes from your thyroid.

Also said
“The candle that burns twice as bright burns twice as long or three times as long or at least 30 to 40% as long, right? You want your metabolism to work well.”— Emphasizes the direct correlation between robust metabolism and longevity in humans, countering the 'burn out' analogy.
“Your body temperature along with your pulse is kind of this highle uh reflection of how much energy you're making in your body. So if that's low, you're nothing is really working well within your your systems.”— Highlights body temperature and pulse as key, easily measurable indicators of metabolic health.

Fish Oil Supplementation Risks

Saladino warns against excessive fish oil supplementation, citing potential oxidative stress, increased risk of atrial fibrillation at higher doses, and the general issue of oxidation in fish oil products.

Why this matters: This is a contrarian view to the widespread belief in the universal benefits of high-dose omega-3 supplementation.

While acknowledging some benefits of mild omega-3 supplementation, Saladino argues that exceeding a certain threshold (e.g., 4 grams/day) can lead to adverse effects, such as an increased incidence of atrial fibrillation. He attributes this to the oxidative load of polyunsaturated fatty acids (PUFAs), which are prone to oxidation due to their double bonds. He also points out that many commercial fish oil supplements are already oxidized before consumption, further contributing to oxidative stress. He suggests that adequate omega-3s can be obtained from egg yolks and grass-fed meat, making additional supplementation unnecessary for most people.

I think that at doses greater than four grams a day, these omega-3 fatty acids in fish oils increase the incidence of atrial fibrillation, which is a heart arhythmia. I think that's just the tip of the iceberg.

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“If you look carefully at your fish oil, I can show you multiple papers showing that the peroxide index is quite high and that the level of oxidation in those fragile oils is higher than you would probably want to be consuming in the first place.”— Highlights the issue of pre-existing oxidation in many commercial fish oil products.
“For most people, if you are eating egg yolks and you are eating grass-fed meat, you are getting all the omega-3s you need, there's absolutely no need to supplement with a fish oil.”— Suggests that dietary sources are sufficient for most individuals, negating the need for supplements.

Heavy Metals and Contaminants in Fish

Saladino advises against frequent fish consumption due to high levels of heavy metals (mercury, lead, cadmium, arsenic), microplastics, and PFAS (forever chemicals) found in fish, even in commonly consumed varieties.

Why this matters: This challenges the widely held belief that fish is a universally healthy food source, especially for regular consumption.

Saladino argues that fish, regardless of type, accumulate contaminants from the ocean, acting as filters for human waste. He claims that eating fish more than once or twice a week will likely elevate heavy metal levels in the body, which are known to cause physiological problems. He points out that while he enjoys the taste of various fish and seafood, the attendant risks of contamination are now too significant to ignore for frequent consumption. He contrasts this with his own low heavy metal levels, which he attributes to not eating fish.

Personal experience

Saladino states, "I did my heavy metals recently, and they were all quite low. I was really happy about this. You know, lead, mercury, cadmium, and arsenic were very low. I don't eat any fish, you know." He also references Andrew Huberman's experience with high mercury levels from eating tuna.

If you eat fish more than once or twice a week, your heavy metals are going to be elevated unquestionably. And the the connections between heavy metals and and problems in human physiology are also pretty clearly laid out.

Oxalates in Spinach and Thyroid Health

Saladino suggests that oxalates, abundant in foods like spinach, may contribute to thyroid issues, citing autopsy findings of oxalate deposition in thyroid glands and a potential link to Hashimoto's thyroiditis.

Why this matters: This highlights a less commonly discussed plant compound as a potential thyroid disruptor, challenging the 'healthy' perception of certain vegetables.

He mentions studies showing oxalate deposition in the thyroid glands of all individuals examined post-mortem, with lower levels in those with Hashimoto's, suggesting a possible immune reaction or clearing mechanism. Saladino posits that oxalates, for which there is no known physiological role in the thyroid, could act as a 'nidus or trigger' for autoimmune thyroid conditions like Hashimoto's. This raises questions about the health benefits of high-oxalate foods like spinach, almonds, and rhubarb, especially for individuals with existing thyroid concerns.

There are a couple of studies that looked at autopsy series and every single person in those autopsies had oxylic acid oxalate deposition in their thyroid.

MicroRNAs and Exosomes in Organ Meats and Milk

Saladino discusses the cutting-edge concept that organ meats and raw milk contain microRNAs within exosomes, which may act as blueprints to reprogram or regenerate human cells and tissues, potentially explaining some of their health benefits beyond mere nutrient content.

Why this matters: This introduces a novel, advanced biological mechanism for the benefits of ancestral foods, moving beyond traditional nutrient-centric explanations.

Background

Exosomes are membrane-bound vesicles containing signaling molecules like microRNAs, which are known to influence gene transcription and cellular function. Stem cell efficacy is increasingly attributed to the exosomes they secrete.

Saladino explains that microRNAs are small RNA fragments that control gene expression, acting as 'blueprints' for cellular reprogramming. He suggests that the benefits of consuming organs, and potentially raw milk, might stem from these microRNAs surviving digestion and influencing human physiology. He cites examples of preclinical research where microRNA-filled exosomes are used to regenerate cartilage, hair follicles, and treat acute respiratory distress syndrome. This theory offers a deeper explanation for the 'like-for-like' principle often associated with organ consumption (e.g., eating thyroid to support one's own thyroid).

MicroRNAs are small fragments of of RNA that control gene gene transcription and and turning genes on and off. And they they they they serve as the best characterization that I've heard is they're more like a blueprint.

Recommendations

Products, supplements, and tools mentioned in the episode

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Tallow-based sunscreen

Product

Used for sun protection, particularly on the face, while surfing.

Personal experience

Saladino mentions using it to correct his sun exposure habits, stating, "I've corrected that with a tallow based sunscreen now, but on my face at least."

I've corrected that with a tallow based sunscreen now, but

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Thyroid Plus

Supplement Sponsored · disclosed

A new desiccated organ supplement designed to support thyroid health.

DisclosurePaul Saladino is associated with Heart and Soil, the company that produces Thyroid Plus.

Thyroid Plus is a new product from Heart and Soil, formulated to provide nutrients and potentially microRNAs from desiccated thyroid and adrenal glands. Saladino suggests it can be a valuable adjunct therapy for individuals with thyroid issues, noting that the doses are small and unlikely to cause hyperthyroidism. He emphasizes the historical use of desiccated organs in medicine and the potential for these supplements to support the body's own glands, aligning with the 'like-for-like' principle of organ consumption.

I'm excited about the new Thyroid Plus. I hope people check it out. I think it's really going to help a lot of people, too.

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Whole Package

Supplement Sponsored · disclosed

A desiccated testicle supplement for men's health.

DisclosurePaul Saladino is associated with Heart and Soil, the company that produces Whole Package.

Saladino explains that Whole Package contains naturally occurring androgens from testicle tissue, which is why it cannot be NSF certified. He also speculates that microRNAs within the testicle tissue could play a role in reprogramming or regenerating the body's own testicles, contributing to the observed effects. He challenges men to try eating a testicle to 'feel it,' suggesting the supplement offers a convenient way to experience similar benefits.

Personal experience

The host, Steve, noted a significant increase in libido and 'volume' after reintroducing Whole Package to his supplement stack, stating, "I noticed like I was like, 'Oh, and I have a healthy sex drive and all of that stuff, but it it was it was noticeably volume increased.'"

I mean liver obviously nutritionally rich right nature is multivitamin tons of selenium for what it's worth and liver along with biotin and choline and folate and riboflavin everything that we really need vitamin A. all the things that are essential for good thyroid hormone and there's a good amount of iodine and liver as well.

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Notable quotes

Lines worth pulling out — contrarian, specific, or perfectly phrased

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The candle that burns twice as bright burns twice as long or three times as long or at least 30 to 40% as long, right? You want your metabolism to work well.
This quote succinctly refutes the common misconception that a high metabolism leads to a shorter lifespan, instead linking robust metabolism to longevity.
The thyroid is almost a gland that signals abundance or scarcity.
This provides a powerful, overarching metaphor for understanding the thyroid's role in regulating the body's metabolic state in response to environmental and nutritional inputs.
If you need preworkout to go to the gym, you're probably underslept and undernourished. Go home, eat a steak, and go to sleep, and go to the gym tomorrow.
This is a direct, actionable, and contrarian statement that challenges the reliance on stimulants for exercise, emphasizing foundational health instead.
The thyroid is the ultimate arbiter of abundance versus scarcity for the human body.
This reiterates and reinforces the central theme of the podcast, highlighting the thyroid's critical role in integrating various signals to determine the body's metabolic state.
If you don't want to move, you got to fix that first.
This emphasizes that a lack of desire for physical activity is a symptom of underlying health issues, rather than just a lack of motivation, pointing back to foundational health.

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Topics covered

thyroid healthmetabolismbody temperaturepulse ratebiohackingbrian johnsoncaloric restrictionfastingcarbohydrate restrictionthyroid hormonestshfree t3free t4reverse t3iodineseleniumzincgoitrogensplant anti-nutrientshashimoto's thyroiditis
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