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350 ‒ Injury prevention, recovery, and performance optimization for every decade
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350 ‒ Injury prevention, recovery, and performance optimization for every decade

Peter Attia
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TL;DR

The four things you'd lose by not watching

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TL;DR

The four things you'd lose by not watching

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Kyler Brown, a rehab specialist and partner at 10 Squared, explains how prehab and early mobilization after shoulder surgery can preserve function, using Peter Attia's own labrum repair as a case study.

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He outlines a framework for building 'capacity' for the Centenarian Decathlon, emphasizing three-dimensional movement, heavy isometrics, and deloaded plyometrics to prevent injuries and maintain athleticism with age.

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He details the assessment and treatment of running injuries like proximal hamstring tendinopathy, highlighting the role of pelvic mechanics, PRP, and coordinated care between PT, strength coach, and running coach.

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He advocates for a customized, one-on-one rehab approach that uses exercise as both diagnostic and therapeutic tool, and warns against cookie-cutter PT mills and passive modalities.

Protocols

Concrete recipes — what, when, how much, and why

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Prehab before shoulder labrum repair

WhatStrengthen rotator cuff (especially supraspinatus), core stabilizers, and scapular control using BFR and targeted exercises without stressing the torn labrum.
When8 weeks prior to scheduled surgery.
DoseNot specified; tailored to individual, but involved frequent sessions focusing on isometrics and stability.
For whomPatients with labrum tears who have a surgical date and sufficient time before surgery; requires surgeon buy-in.
WhyTo build a muscular 'roll cage' around the shoulder, reducing stress on the repair and enabling early post-op mobilization.
CaveatsMust avoid movements that could worsen the tear; requires close supervision and patient compliance.

Kyler and Peter used the 8-week window before a scheduled surgery to prepare the shoulder. They focused on the supraspinatus, which is critical for humeral head depression, and the serratus anterior for scapular positioning. They also did aggressive core work to ensure the scapula had a stable base. Kyler notes that this prehab allowed the surgeon, Alton Barron, to perform a repair that was stable but not overly tight, because he trusted the surrounding musculature. This is a departure from typical prehab, which is often minimal or generic. The success relied on constant communication between Kyler and Alton, with Kyler providing objective metrics on strength and stability.

Mechanism

Strengthening the rotator cuff and scapular stabilizers improves dynamic stability of the glenohumeral joint, offloading the labrum. BFR enhances muscle protein synthesis with low loads, safe for the injured joint. Core stability ensures proper force transfer from the trunk to the arm.

Personal experience

Kyler worked directly with Peter, saying, 'We did a lot of things where we didn't only use technology like BFR, but we also used very aggressive approaches on your core stability, the way your scapula interacted with your ribs.'

We did a lot of things where we didn't only use technology like BFR, but we also used very aggressive approaches on your core stability, the way your scapula interacted with your ribs, and all these things have an effect on how my shoulder moves.

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“What you're looking for in that situation, especially with the shoulder, because it's such a mobile joint, is you want to make all the muscles around the shoulder just awesome.”— Summarizes the goal of prehab.
“The day you got the surgery, we jumped on it really quick once things were healing from the surgery itself, all those other ancillary things were actually functioning really well.”— Shows the payoff of prehab for post-op recovery.

Early mobilization after shoulder labrum repair

WhatRemove sling within 24 hours post-op; perform gentle, targeted isometric exercises in safe ranges without stressing the repair; gradually increase range of motion.
WhenImmediately after surgery, as soon as surgeon clears based on prehab metrics and patient compliance.
DoseIsometrics held for time (e.g., 10-30 seconds), multiple times daily; progression over weeks.
For whomPatients who have undergone extensive prehab, have a surgeon willing to collaborate, and are highly compliant with movement restrictions.
WhyTo prevent joint stiffness, muscle atrophy, and loss of function that typically result from prolonged immobilization.
CaveatsStrict adherence to rules is mandatory: no reaching, no loading the repair, no sudden movements. Not suitable for non-compliant patients or those without prehab.

This protocol was a collaboration between Kyler and surgeon Alton Barron. Alton performed a repair that was stable but not overly tight, trusting the muscular support built during prehab. Kyler had provided Alton with specific metrics on Peter's rotator cuff and scapular strength. The decision to remove the sling early was made jointly. Kyler emphasizes that this is not standard care; most surgeons default to 4-6 weeks in a sling to cover liability. The early isometrics were 'very gentle but targeted,' focusing on activating muscles without creating shear forces on the labrum. Peter was instructed to avoid any movements that could stress the repair, such as dangling the arm with weight. The result was a full recovery with preserved range of motion.

Mechanism

Isometric contractions load the muscle-tendon unit without joint motion, stimulating muscle activation and collagen synthesis while protecting the healing labrum. Early movement maintains synovial fluid circulation and prevents capsular adhesions.

Personal experience

Kyler recalls, 'Alton said, 'No, we're gonna have you out of a sling in 24 hours.' And I was like, 'How is that going to be possible?' ... we did.' He notes that Peter was a 'rule follower,' which was critical.

We were able to do very gentle but targeted isometrics where there wasn't complexity in the joint itself, but we were loading the tissues in a very articulate and specific way.

Also said
“The no sling or sling decision was based on what we knew exactly what we did. The other thing is that you followed everything to a tea.”— Highlights the prerequisites for success.
“Alton was really clear like you're not going to be doing that for a while. Like we're talking about range of motion without stress on the repair.”— Clarifies the boundaries of early movement.

Heavy isometric holds for tendon rehabilitation and prevention

WhatPerform isometric contractions at various joint angles with heavy load or body weight, holding for time (e.g., mid-thigh pull against immovable bar, split squat with plantar flexion isometric).
WhenAs part of rehab for tendinopathy, or as a preparatory phase before introducing plyometrics; can be done 2-3 times per week.
DoseHold for 10-30 seconds, multiple sets; progress load or duration over weeks.
For whomAnyone with tendon pain (e.g., Achilles, patellar, hamstring) or those wanting to build resilience before jumping activities; especially important for aging adults.
WhyTo remodel tendons, increase stiffness, and prepare the nervous system for explosive movements without excessive strain.
CaveatsMust be pain-free; start with low load if acute. Avoid if there is a complete tendon rupture.

Kyler explains that tendons adapt slowly and need progressive loading. He uses the mid-thigh pull as an example: the bar is set at mid-thigh height against pins, and the person pulls maximally without the bar moving. This loads the entire posterior chain and grip isometrically. For Peter's foot tendinopathy, he used a front-foot-elevated split squat with the front foot actively plantar flexing, creating an isometric hold at a specific ankle angle while demanding core stability. This targeted the tendon at the length where it was weak. He emphasizes that isometrics are the starting point; after several weeks, the tendon is ready for deloaded plyometrics. This approach is safer than immediately jumping into explosive movements, which often causes injury in deconditioned individuals.

Mechanism

Isometrics stimulate mechanoreceptors in tendons, promoting collagen synthesis and cross-linking. They also improve motor unit recruitment and tendon stiffness, which enhances force transmission and reduces injury risk during dynamic movements.

Personal experience

Kyler used this with Peter for his chronic foot tendon issue: 'One of the ones we do with you a lot is that front foot hover, but you're actually plantar flexing... we make you hold that while you do that split squat.' He also mentions using it with a 52-year-old client with weak calves to prevent Achilles rupture.

One of my favorites is that mid thigh pull... you just pull but the bar doesn't get to move... holding that over time, we're now isometrically loading the heck out of my grip. We're loading the heck out of my shoulders. We're getting into my feet, my quads, my hips, and I'm just holding that for time. That sets all these tendons up.

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“So what you usually start with is really long hold isometrics. So we put you in these different positions and find ways to resist that and pull and create stiffness and remodel those tendons.”— General principle of starting with isometrics.
“Tendons take months to regenerate.”— Sets realistic expectations for healing time.

Deloaded plyometrics progression

WhatUse bands overhead to reduce body weight, then perform pogo hops or other plyometric drills to train speed and reactivity with reduced impact.
WhenAfter a phase of heavy isometrics (several weeks), before progressing to full body-weight plyometrics.
DoseNot specified; likely progressive sets and reps based on tolerance.
For whomIndividuals returning from lower-leg tendinopathy, older adults who have lost springiness, or anyone needing to build reactive strength.
WhyTo safely reintroduce the stretch-shortening cycle and train the nervous system for quick force absorption without overloading healing or deconditioned tendons.
CaveatsEnsure proper landing mechanics; stop if pain occurs. Not for acute injuries.

Kyler describes this as the bridge between isometrics and full plyometrics. He uses the example of band-assisted pogo hops: a band is anchored overhead, and the person holds it while jumping, so the band pulls upward, lightening the load. This trains the quickness and stiffness needed for activities like jumping or reacting to uneven ground. He emphasizes that many people skip this step and go straight to full jumping, which often leads to injury. This progression is part of his strategy to maintain 'play' and reactivity into old age, as he noted that kids naturally do these movements but adults lose them.

Mechanism

The band assistance reduces the effective body weight, decreasing ground reaction forces. This allows the tendons and muscles to experience high-velocity contractions and eccentric loading at a lower intensity, promoting adaptation in the stretch-shortening cycle without exceeding tissue capacity.

Personal experience

He applies this with clients at 10 Squared, including Peter, to address foot and ankle reactivity. He says, 'We need to do a ton more quick work with you that's deloaded to train all those tendons.'

So now maybe we do some sort of like a band assisted pogo where I'm actually pulling on a band... Pulling down on that band essentially lightens me... And now I get to train that speed and that quickness through the ground, but it's not my full body weight.

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“Once I've got the speed going and the parts, now I just get to become an athlete and do body weight and beyond.”— Shows the final progression to full plyometrics.
“So many of us... don't train pogos. We don't train plyometrics. We don't play.”— Highlights the common gap this protocol addresses.

McKenzie protocol for disc-related back pain

WhatPerform specific repeated movements (typically extension or flexion) to centralize radicular pain and reduce disc bulge, under guidance of a certified McKenzie practitioner.
WhenFor acute or chronic back pain with nerve symptoms (sciatica) but no motor weakness or bowel/bladder dysfunction.
DoseAs directed; often multiple sets per day, with reassessment of pain location.
For whomPatients with confirmed or suspected disc herniation causing radicular pain, who do not have red flag symptoms.
WhyTo mechanically reduce pressure on the nerve root and promote natural healing of the disc.
CaveatsIf pain worsens or peripheralizes, stop and reassess. Not effective for all back pain; may need to be discontinued if an annular tear is irritated.

Kyler shares a case of a patient with a disc herniation and an annular tear. Initially, McKenzie extension exercises centralized her leg pain, indicating the disc was responding. However, the annular tear caused local pain with extension, so they had to stop McKenzie and switch to core stabilization (DNS). He emphasizes that McKenzie is both a treatment and a diagnostic tool: the response to the movement guides decision-making. He recommends that anyone with nerve pain seek a certified McKenzie practitioner, as they are trained to differentiate between discogenic and other causes. He also notes that even with a herniated disc, surgery is not always necessary; many resolve with conservative care over 4-10 weeks.

Mechanism

Repeated end-range movements can alter the position of the nucleus pulposus within the disc, reducing compression on the nerve root. Centralization of pain (moving from leg to back) is a positive prognostic sign.

Personal experience

Kyler has used McKenzie extensively in his practice. He says, 'Mackenzie protocol is a really great system that... you essentially put the patient in various positions and you do this like gentle arching or pumping and you're basically trying to take pressure off that disc.'

Mackenzie protocol is a really great system that... you essentially put the patient in various positions and you do this like gentle arching or pumping and you're basically trying to take pressure off that disc to where slowly over time that bulge can recenter and balance out.

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“If I get what they call a centralization, meaning I had sciatic pain all the way down the leg and then you put me in this one McKenzie position and now it centralizes to the hamstring, that's a great indicator.”— Explains the diagnostic value of centralization.
“If you can encourage a hot disc patient to wait and make sure that they're actually letting things heal and run their course, they could be much better off in four to 10 weeks.”— Advocates for conservative care before surgery.

DNS-based core stabilization

WhatActivate the deep stabilization system (diaphragm, pelvic floor, multifidi, transverse abdominis) through specific positions like supine 3-month position, dead bugs, and progress to dynamic movements while maintaining intra-abdominal pressure.
WhenIntegrated into daily training or rehab, especially for those with back pain, instability, or poor movement patterns.
DoseNot specified; typically performed as part of warm-up or standalone sessions, progressing from static holds to dynamic movements.
For whomAnyone, but particularly beneficial for those with back pain, postural issues, or athletes needing efficient power transfer.
WhyTo create a stable 'cylinder' for force transmission, protecting the spine and allowing free limb movement.
CaveatsMust be progressed beyond static holds; simply doing dead bugs without integrating into dynamic movements is insufficient.

Kyler explains that many people mistakenly equate core stability with a six-pack (rectus abdominis). True stability comes from the deep system that pressurizes the abdomen. He uses the analogy of a race car chassis: a stiff chassis transmits power to the wheels efficiently. Similarly, a stable core allows force to be transmitted from the legs to the arms without energy leaks. He shares the story of Peter's acute back pain being resolved by a DNS isometric leg press: by creating maximal intra-abdominal pressure and pushing against an immovable object, the nervous system overrode the pain-spasm cycle, and the back muscles relaxed. This demonstrates how loading the stabilization system can be therapeutic. Kyler emphasizes that DNS is a key part of his approach at 10 Squared, and he uses it to address the root causes of many injuries.

Mechanism

Proper co-contraction of the diaphragm, pelvic floor, and deep spinal muscles creates intra-abdominal pressure, stabilizing the lumbar spine. This provides a stable base for the extremities to generate force, reducing compensatory stress on superficial muscles and joints.

Personal experience

Kyler recounts Peter's experience: 'He laid me on my back and he had me get into like an imaginary leg press position... and he is now laying on top of me... and he's queuing me through really good intraabdominal pressure and isometric contraction pushing. And lo and behold, my back is getting better and better.' Kyler comments, 'What he was doing is he was putting you in very specific positions to where you had to load something where neurologically your brain says, I'm going to turn this other thing off.'

If you have really prominent rectus abdominis that six-pack, that has nothing to do with how you stabilize your trunk... it's the deep stabilization system that not only pressurizes with our diaphragm, the pelvic floor, but it's also all the small muscles up and down my spine.

Also said
“A lot of people are accidentally overcoached into thinking they only need stiffness... Now, can I do that with motion? That's where you start looking at someone kicking or running or throwing. That needs to be a dynamic system, not just a stiff system.”— Highlights the need to progress from static to dynamic stability.
“If we activate this deep stabilization system and get all the parts moving in unison and in sync, all of a sudden those movement problems go away and you're much more robust and strong.”— Summarizes the benefit of DNS.

PRP injections for chronic tendinopathy

WhatInject concentrated platelets from the patient's own blood into the damaged tendon to promote healing.
WhenFor chronic tendinopathy confirmed on MRI that has not responded to conservative care; typically two injections, two weeks apart.
DoseTwo rounds, two weeks apart, followed by strict rest from aggravating activities for several weeks, then gradual reloading.
For whomPatients with tendinopathy who are willing to comply with post-injection restrictions and have realistic expectations about the timeline.
WhyTo deliver growth factors directly to the injury site and stimulate tissue regeneration.
CaveatsRequires significant downtime; not a quick fix. Must be combined with appropriate rehab to address underlying biomechanical issues, or the problem will recur.

Kyler describes using PRP for Jill's proximal hamstring tendinopathy. After diagnosing the tear on MRI, they decided on PRP because she had a goal of running the Boston Marathon and needed a robust solution. He emphasizes that PRP alone is not enough; they had to protect the area post-injection, doing only exercises that didn't stress the hamstring, while simultaneously addressing the pelvic and core dysfunctions that caused the tendinopathy. They coordinated with her physical therapist and running coach to ensure a gradual return to running. Kyler notes that the success of PRP depends heavily on the rehab surrounding it. He also mentions that for some pro athletes, PRP can be a tool to accelerate healing when time is limited.

Mechanism

Platelets release growth factors (e.g., PDGF, TGF-β) that recruit cells and stimulate collagen synthesis, angiogenesis, and tissue remodeling.

Personal experience

Kyler worked with Jill through the process: 'We put a package together for her program... while we considered platelet-rich plasma and she actually ended up going for it to create essentially regeneration of that tendon at the damaged site.'

We put a package together for her program that was all of those underlying structural functional issues that didn't make the hamstring worse. We started building those right away while we considered platelet-rich plasma and she actually ended up going for it to create essentially regeneration of that tendon at the damaged site.

Also said
“We had to have a lot of come to Jesus conversations about you cannot run too soon. If we're going to go through all this trouble and financial cost, we want to make sure that that can heal as much as it can.”— Stresses the importance of compliance post-PRP.
“The physical therapy side, they're using a ton of things like BFR, dry needling where necessary, everything you can to just help those parts heal.”— Shows the multimodal approach alongside PRP.

Blood Flow Restriction (BFR) training

WhatApply a cuff to partially restrict venous blood flow while performing low-load resistance exercises (20-30% 1RM).
WhenDuring early rehab when heavy loading is contraindicated, or to augment strength gains in any training phase.
DoseLow load, high reps (e.g., 15-30 reps), multiple sets; cuff pressure individualized.
For whomPost-surgical patients, those with tendinopathy, or anyone needing to build strength with low mechanical load.
WhyTo stimulate muscle hypertrophy and strength gains without stressing injured or healing tissues.
CaveatsMust be applied correctly to avoid nerve or vascular damage; not suitable for those with clotting disorders or uncontrolled hypertension.
Mechanism

BFR creates a hypoxic environment and metabolic stress, leading to increased recruitment of fast-twitch fibers, elevated growth hormone, and muscle protein synthesis, even at low loads.

We did a lot of things where we didn't only use technology like BFR, but we also used very aggressive approaches on your core stability.

What's new

Personal practice updates, fresh positions, predictions

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Early mobilization after shoulder labrum repair with prehab

Kyler and surgeon Alton Barron took Peter out of a sling 24 hours after a complete labrum repair, contrary to the standard 4-6 weeks of immobilization, by using an 8-week prehab program and immediate post-op isometrics.

Why this matters: This challenges the traditional liability-driven approach that prioritizes immobilization to protect the repair, often resulting in permanent stiffness and atrophy.

Background

Standard post-operative protocol for labrum repair involves 4-6 weeks in a sling to allow healing, but this often leads to significant loss of range of motion and muscle atrophy. Surgeons typically prioritize stability over mobility to avoid re-injury.

Kyler and Alton collaborated closely, with Kyler providing detailed metrics on Peter's prehab progress—specifically the strength of the supraspinatus, serratus anterior, and core stabilizers. This gave Alton confidence that the shoulder had a robust 'roll cage' of muscular support, allowing him to perform a repair that was stable but not overly tight. The decision to remove the sling early was contingent on Peter's strict adherence to movement restrictions: no reaching, no loading the repair, only gentle isometrics in safe ranges. Kyler emphasizes that this approach is not for everyone; it requires a surgeon willing to trust the rehab team and a patient who will follow rules meticulously. The result was a full recovery without the typical mobility deficits.

Personal experience

Kyler recounts working with Peter pre- and post-op, noting that they did 'very gentle but targeted isometrics where there wasn't complexity in the joint itself, but we were loading the tissues in a very articulate and specific way.' He describes the prehab as 'aggressive approaches on your core stability, the way your scapula interacted with your ribs' to build a support structure.

We were able to do very gentle but targeted isometrics where there wasn't complexity in the joint itself, but we were loading the tissues in a very articulate and specific way. And that's how you again put this support structure around it.

Also said
“Alton did an amazing job... he didn't want to just cinch down that joint to where his liability was so covered that that shoulder would be strong but you lost a ton of function.”— Highlights the surgeon's philosophy that enabled the early mobilization.
“The no sling or sling decision was based on what we knew exactly what we did. The other thing is that you followed everything to a tea.”— Emphasizes the necessity of patient compliance and prehab data.

Capacity as the central goal of rehab, not pain relief

Kyler argues that rehab should focus on building 'capacity'—the ability to do what you want—rather than just eliminating pain or providing passive modalities.

Why this matters: It reframes the entire purpose of physical therapy and training, shifting from a symptom-suppression model to a performance-building model for life.

Background

Many rehab clinics operate on an insurance-driven model, offering cookie-cutter exercises, passive modalities like ultrasound or ice, and seeing multiple patients at once. The goal is often to reduce pain and discharge the patient, not to build them back to full function.

Kyler explains that the magic word is 'capacity.' He asks, 'Are you building me back to what I want to do?' This means understanding the patient's specific goals—whether it's surfing, running, or playing with grandkids—and designing a program that progressively loads tissues to meet those demands. He criticizes clinics that offer a menu of services (cupping, dry needling, adjustments) without a cohesive plan. The plan must account for the individual's weaknesses, injury history, and desired activities. He gives the example of a surfer with a shoulder issue: they needed to make his shoulder robust in the specific positions required for paddling and popping up, not just generic rotator cuff exercises. This approach requires one-on-one attention and a long-term perspective, which is rare in traditional settings.

Personal experience

At 10 Squared, Kyler sees clients who often come in with pain but leave with a program that addresses underlying weaknesses and builds toward their Centenarian Decathlon goals. He mentions a client who loves to surf: 'We had to make his shoulder uniquely robust in certain directions.'

The magic word of capacity is what it's all about. Are you building me back to what I want to do?

Also said
“Your rehab clinic needs to do more than just offer services. They need to offer a plan.”— Directly states the deficiency in most rehab settings.
“One service doesn't ever fix anyone and it definitely doesn't increase their capacity over time.”— Reinforces the need for a comprehensive, progressive approach.

The spinal engine and unilateral rotation in running injuries

Kyler explains that running is a unilateral rotation propulsion drill, and knee pain often originates from pelvic asymmetry and hamstring dysfunction, not the knee itself.

Why this matters: It challenges the common practice of treating the site of pain in isolation, instead tracing the kinetic chain to the pelvis and foot.

Background

Traditional medicine often treats knee pain with rest, ice, anti-inflammatories, and local rehab, but the pain frequently returns because the underlying biomechanical drivers are not addressed.

Using Peter's wife Jill as a case study, Kyler details how her right knee pain flared up after running two marathons close together. He explains the concept of the 'spinal engine,' where the spine, pelvis, and feet work in reciprocal rotation to propel the body forward. Jill had a subtle scoliosis and a proximal hamstring tendinopathy on the left side, which altered her pelvic rotation. This caused her to 'dump' into the right knee repeatedly, creating a repetitive stress injury. The right knee pain was a symptom of the left hamstring and pelvic asymmetry. An MRI confirmed tendinopathy in the proximal hamstring and a nearby hip rotator. Kyler also notes that pregnancy can permanently change pelvic mechanics, contributing to such issues. The solution involved addressing the hamstring with PRP, correcting pelvic mechanics through DNS-based core work, and coordinating with her running coach to avoid flare-ups.

Personal experience

Kyler worked directly with Jill, performing a detailed clinical exam and ordering an MRI. He says, 'That right knee flaring up told me, okay, there's something going on at either her feet or her pelvis that's not in sync.'

Running, even though I'm moving straight ahead, is technically a unilateral or single leg rotation propulsion drill.

Also said
“The way her pelvis was rotating, the way her core and her spine were set up and also the way that left hamstring was affecting her motion, she was basically dumping into that right knee over and over.”— Explains the mechanism of how a remote issue causes knee pain.

Heavy isometrics and deloaded plyometrics for aging athletes

Kyler prescribes a progression from heavy isometric holds to deloaded plyometrics to build tendon stiffness and reactivity, especially for older adults who have lost springiness.

Why this matters: It provides a safe, structured pathway to reintroduce explosive movements without injury, countering the common belief that older adults should avoid jumping.

Background

Many middle-aged and older adults stop jumping and doing reactive movements, leading to a loss of tendon stiffness and type II fiber atrophy. When they attempt such movements, they often get injured (e.g., Achilles rupture). Traditional training often neglects this aspect.

Kyler explains that to maintain the ability to react to uneven surfaces or play sports, you need to train in three dimensions and recruit high-threshold motor units. However, most people are not ready for heavy or fast movements. He starts with long-duration isometrics at various joint angles, such as the mid-thigh pull against an immovable bar, to remodel tendons and prepare them for force. After several weeks, he introduces deloaded plyometrics, like band-assisted pogo hops, where the band reduces body weight, allowing the nervous system to train speed and the stretch-shortening cycle without full impact. Finally, he progresses to full body-weight plyometrics. He uses this with Peter for his foot tendinopathy and with clients to prevent falls. He emphasizes that this is not just for athletes; it's essential for anyone who wants to walk on uneven terrain or play with kids.

Personal experience

With Peter's foot issue, Kyler used a front-foot-elevated split squat with plantar flexion isometric to load the tendon in a specific position while demanding core stability. He says, 'We need to do a ton more quick work with you that's deloaded to train all those tendons.'

You need to do really heavy loads or things that are really fast... to get that nervous system to like wake up and respond. The problem with that is not a lot of us are ready for that. So what you usually start with is really long hold isometrics.

Also said
“So now maybe we do some sort of like a band assisted pogo where I'm actually pulling on a band... Pulling down on that band essentially lightens me... And now I get to train that speed and that quickness through the ground, but it's not my full body weight.”— Describes the deloaded plyometric bridge step.
“If we're just doing bicep curls and calf raises, it's like I'm on these railroad tracks, but the minute you make me go sideways or rotate, it's trouble.”— Reinforces the need for multi-planar training.

Pain is not injury; fear amplifies pain

Kyler asserts that pain is a brain-generated warning signal, not necessarily indicating tissue damage, and that fear and stress can heighten pain perception, requiring education and empowerment to overcome.

Why this matters: It directly challenges the common patient belief that pain equals harm, which can lead to fear-avoidance and chronic disability.

Background

Many patients become afraid of certain movements after an injury, leading to guarding, deconditioning, and a cycle of pain. Traditional medical imaging often reveals 'abnormalities' (e.g., disc bulges, arthritis) that are normal age-related changes, but patients are told these are the cause of their pain, reinforcing fear.

Kyler explains that when the brain perceives threat—whether from a physical stressor, emotional stress, or past experience—it can trigger pain even in the absence of tissue damage. He gives the example of low back spasms coinciding with life stressors like a wife going into labor or job insecurity. He emphasizes that an MRI finding like a disc bulge is not a death sentence; many asymptomatic people have them. The key is to rule out red flags (weakness, loss of bowel/bladder control) and then use conservative interventions to show the patient that movement is safe. He uses the McKenzie protocol as a diagnostic tool: if a specific movement centralizes pain, it indicates a mechanical issue that can be treated with exercise. He also shares the story of Peter's back pain being resolved with a DNS isometric leg press, demonstrating how loading the nervous system can override pain signals. The goal is to empower patients with education and a plan, not to make them feel frail.

Personal experience

Kyler recounts a patient with a disc herniation and annular tear who initially responded to McKenzie but then needed a different approach when the annular tear became irritated. He says, 'Pain does not always mean injury. Pain is your brain telling you, 'Hey, I don't like what's happening here.' But it doesn't always mean you're broken or busted.'

Pain does not always mean injury. Pain is your brain telling you, 'Hey, I don't like what's happening here.' But it doesn't always mean you're broken or busted.

Also said
“When your brain perceives threat... your nervous system is kicked up, but we're more sensitive to pain. So certain things hurt more when we're ill or when we're stressed than if we're not.”— Explains the mechanism of stress-induced pain amplification.
“If we MRI a 100,000 low backs, there's going to be wear and tear, especially if you're over 30 years old. Does that mean we design your whole clinical plan around that? No.”— Counters the over-reliance on imaging findings.

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Choose a one-on-one rehab clinic with a strength focus

Practice

Kyler advises listeners to look for a rehab clinic that provides one-on-one sessions, has a variety of weights and equipment, and emphasizes building strength over time, rather than relying on passive modalities or cookie-cutter protocols.

He explains that many clinics, especially those driven by insurance models, see multiple patients at once and use the same exercises for everyone, regardless of their condition. A good clinic will have a plan tailored to the individual's goals and will progress them toward greater capacity. He says, 'I don't care what their degree is, but if you're going to a rehab clinic and it's one-to-one... and they've got a bunch of weights in there as well as the traditional bands and stuff. Now, that's an indicator, okay, these guys are going to build me back up to something actually strong.' He also warns against clinics that push long-term passive treatments without a clear progression to active exercise.

vs alternatives

Compared to typical PT mills where one therapist oversees multiple patients doing generic exercises, or chiropractic offices that rely solely on adjustments, this approach leads to longer-lasting results and empowers the patient.

Personal experience

Kyler runs his own practice and 10 Squared with this philosophy. He notes that patients are often surprised that they are doing loaded exercises rather than just receiving adjustments or massage.

I don't care what their degree is, but if you're going to a rehab clinic and it's one-to-one relationships, so it's not group, but it's one to one. And they've got a bunch of weights in there as well as the traditional bands and stuff. Now, that's an indicator, okay, these guys are going to build me back up to something actually strong.

Also said
“Your rehab clinic needs to do more than just offer services. They need to offer a plan.”— Reinforces the need for a comprehensive approach.
“If your rehab clinic is a bunch of passive modalities on tables and a bunch of techs doing ultrasound and stuff, that's a red flag for me because they're not going to build you to get stronger and stronger.”— Gives a clear red flag to avoid.
Find Choose

Incorporate multi-planar, reactive play (like kids)

Practice

Kyler recommends observing how children move—jumping off rocks, twisting, landing—and incorporating similar unpredictable, three-dimensional movements into training to maintain agility and prevent injury.

He points out that adults lose the ability to react to unexpected forces because they stop playing and only train in predictable, linear patterns. He says, 'What I always tell people to do is like look at your kids. Like if you go to a coffee shop with your kids, I guarantee one of them will run and jump off a rock and like do a twist and land it. When was the last time one of us did that?' This lack of varied movement leads to a loss of tissue capacity and increases injury risk when faced with real-world demands like hiking on uneven terrain or playing sports. He suggests that training should include multiplanar lunges, reactive drills, and games that challenge balance and coordination.

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Traditional gym routines often focus on sagittal-plane exercises (bicep curls, calf raises) that do not prepare the body for lateral or rotational forces, leaving people vulnerable when they step off a curb or twist suddenly.

Personal experience

Kyler includes this in his own Centenarian Decathlon: wrestling with his kids and grandkids, which requires getting on the ground and moving in all directions. He also uses this principle when designing programs for clients at 10 Squared.

What I always tell people to do is like look at your kids. Like if you go to a coffee shop with your kids, I guarantee one of them will run and jump off a rock and like do a twist and land it. When was the last time one of us did that?

Also said
“If we're just doing bicep curls and calf raises, it's like I'm on these railroad tracks, but the minute you make me go sideways or rotate, it's trouble.”— Illustrates the limitation of linear-only training.
“All of your training should account for that. If you're someone like me and you who part of our CD involves probably walking on uneven surfaces one day.”— Connects the recommendation to real-life demands.
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Use heavy isometrics and deloaded plyometrics to prepare for explosive movements

Practice

Kyler advises a progression from long-duration heavy isometrics to band-assisted plyometrics before attempting full body-weight jumping or reactive drills, especially for those over 40 or returning from injury.

He explains that tendons and the nervous system need to be gradually prepared for high forces and speeds. Starting with isometrics like the mid-thigh pull or split squat holds remodels tendons and builds stiffness. Then, deloaded plyometrics (e.g., band-assisted pogo hops) train the stretch-shortening cycle with reduced impact. This sequence minimizes injury risk and builds a 'springy, force-resistant person.' He emphasizes that many middle-aged men rupture their Achilles because they jump into activities without this preparation.

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The common alternative is to either avoid jumping altogether (leading to frailty) or to jump straight into plyometrics without preparation (leading to injury). This progression provides a safe middle path.

Personal experience

Kyler uses this with clients at 10 Squared, including Peter for his foot tendinopathy, and with a 52-year-old client who had weak calves and was at high risk for an Achilles rupture.

You need to do really heavy loads or things that are really fast... to get that nervous system to like wake up and respond. The problem with that is not a lot of us are ready for that. So what you usually start with is really long hold isometrics.

Also said
“So now maybe we do some sort of like a band assisted pogo where I'm actually pulling on a band... Pulling down on that band essentially lightens me... And now I get to train that speed and that quickness through the ground, but it's not my full body weight.”— Describes the deloaded step.
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Seek a certified McKenzie Method practitioner for nerve pain

Practice

For back or neck pain with radiating nerve symptoms (sciatica), Kyler recommends finding a McKenzie-certified practitioner as a first-line conservative approach.

He explains that McKenzie practitioners are trained to use repeated movements to centralize pain, which is both diagnostic and therapeutic. If the pain centralizes, it indicates a discogenic source that can often be managed without surgery. He notes that even if an MRI shows a disc herniation, waiting 4-10 weeks with McKenzie and other conservative care can lead to resolution. He also cautions that McKenzie is not for everyone; if it worsens pain, it should be stopped. He shares a case where McKenzie helped initially but had to be discontinued due to an annular tear, illustrating the need for expert guidance.

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Compared to rushing to an orthopedic surgeon or getting an injection, McKenzie offers a low-risk, evidence-based method to potentially resolve disc-related pain without invasive procedures.

Personal experience

Kyler has used McKenzie extensively and refers patients to its practitioners. He says, 'If they have nerve pain, it's a great place to start because all those Mackenzie practitioners know what I just outlined.'

If they have nerve pain, it's a great place to start because all those Mackenzie practitioners know what I just outlined, like this is a Mackenzie thing, this is not.

Also said
“Mackenzie protocol is a really great system that... you essentially put the patient in various positions and you do this like gentle arching or pumping and you're basically trying to take pressure off that disc.”— Describes the method.
“If you can encourage a hot disc patient to wait and make sure that they're actually letting things heal and run their course, they could be much better off in four to 10 weeks.”— Encourages conservative trial before surgery.
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Blood Flow Restriction (BFR) training

Tool

Kyler uses BFR as a tool in rehab and prehab to build muscle strength with low loads, particularly when heavy lifting is not possible.

He mentions using BFR during Peter's shoulder prehab and Jill's hamstring rehab. BFR allows for significant strength gains without stressing healing tissues. It is a valuable adjunct but should be applied by someone trained in its use.

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Compared to traditional low-load rehab, BFR can produce greater hypertrophy and strength gains, accelerating recovery.

We did a lot of things where we didn't only use technology like BFR, but we also used very aggressive approaches on your core stability.

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PRP injections for chronic tendinopathy

Service

Kyler presents PRP as an effective treatment for chronic tendinopathy when combined with proper rehab, citing Jill's proximal hamstring tear as a successful case.

He emphasizes that PRP is not a standalone fix; it must be paired with a comprehensive program that addresses the underlying biomechanical issues and includes a period of rest followed by gradual reloading. The decision to use PRP should be made in consultation with a sports medicine physician.

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Compared to surgery or prolonged rest alone, PRP can accelerate tendon healing, but it requires a significant commitment to post-injection protocols.

Personal experience

He coordinated Jill's PRP with her PT and running coach, ensuring she did not run too soon and that the rehab supported the healing process.

She actually ended up going for it to create essentially regeneration of that tendon at the damaged site which she did perfect with.

Also said
“We had to have a lot of come to Jesus conversations about you cannot run too soon.”— Highlights the necessary discipline.
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Notable quotes

Lines worth pulling out — contrarian, specific, or perfectly phrased

6 items
The magic word of capacity is what it's all about. Are you building me back to what I want to do?
Succinctly reframes the goal of rehab from pain relief to functional performance.
Pain does not always mean injury. Pain is your brain telling you, 'Hey, I don't like what's happening here.' But it doesn't always mean you're broken or busted.
Challenges the common fear-driven response to pain and encourages a more nuanced understanding.
If we're just doing bicep curls and calf raises, it's like I'm on these railroad tracks, but the minute you make me go sideways or rotate, it's trouble.
Vividly illustrates the danger of training only in the sagittal plane.
The exercise is the test.
Encapsulates his philosophy that movement response is a powerful diagnostic tool, enabling effective remote care.
Your rehab clinic needs to do more than just offer services. They need to offer a plan.
Directly criticizes the common menu-of-services model and sets a higher standard for care.
I don't care what their degree is, but if you're going to a rehab clinic and it's one-to-one... and they've got a bunch of weights in there... that's an indicator.
Provides a practical, degree-agnostic heuristic for finding quality rehab.

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