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How to Lose 5lbs of Fat and Build 5lbs of Muscle (fix skinny fat)
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How to Lose 5lbs of Fat and Build 5lbs of Muscle (fix skinny fat)

Thomas DeLauer
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TL;DR

The four things you'd lose by not watching

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TL;DR

The four things you'd lose by not watching

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Prioritize fat loss first to improve motivation and reduce estrogen conversion, then focus on muscle building.

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Maximize protein intake, especially post-workout (up to 100g or more), to stimulate muscle protein synthesis while allowing for caloric deficit elsewhere.

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Implement 'energy flux' by moving more and eating slightly more to keep metabolism high, rather than restricting both.

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Utilize blood flow restriction (BFR) training with proper equipment to achieve muscle growth with less overall body stress, enabling more cardio without overtraining.

Protocols

Concrete recipes — what, when, how much, and why

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pick a direction (fat loss first)

WhatDecide whether to prioritize fat loss or muscle gain, rather than trying to achieve both simultaneously from the outset.
For whomIndividuals who are 'skinny fat' and struggling to decide between bulking and cutting.
WhyTrying to do both at once can be metabolically confusing and psychologically frustrating. Prioritizing fat loss first offers psychological motivation (seeing gains better) and physiological benefits (reduced aromatase enzyme activity, leading to less testosterone conversion to estrogen).

For those who are 'skinny fat' – meaning they are lean but still carry excess fat, particularly around the midsection – the initial decision of whether to focus on fat loss or muscle gain can be paralyzing. While it is physiologically possible to do both, attempting to simultaneously increase calories for muscle and decrease them for fat loss can lead to a 'weird gray area' of inconsistent progress and frustration. The speaker strongly recommends prioritizing fat loss first. This approach provides immediate psychological benefits as individuals see visible changes and muscle definition more quickly, which is highly motivating. Physiologically, reducing body fat can decrease the activity of the aromatase enzyme, which converts testosterone into estrogen, thereby potentially optimizing hormonal balance for future muscle building.

If I had to pick one or if I had to recommend one, I would recommend that you lose the fat first for a couple of simple reasons.

Also said
“If you lose the fat, then as you start to build the muscle, you're going to find that it's more motivating. You see the gains better. You see the potential striations. You see the muscle bellies pop. And that does something psychologically.”— Explains the psychological benefit of prioritizing fat loss.
“But additionally, if you lose the fat, then you do lose some of the aromatase enzyme. That is kind of what converts testosterone into estrogen. So you kind of reduce that a little bit.”— Explains the physiological benefit of prioritizing fat loss.

maximize post-workout protein

WhatConsume a very large amount of protein (up to 100 grams or more) immediately after a workout.
WhenPost-workout
Dose75-110 grams (speaker's personal intake), up to 100 grams or more (based on new literature)
WhyMaximizes muscle protein synthesis during the anabolic window, allowing for muscle building while enabling a caloric deficit for the rest of the day to burn fat.

New research indicates that the body can absorb and utilize significantly more protein in a single sitting than previously thought, with studies showing effective utilization of up to 100 grams post-workout. This is a game-changer for body recomposition. By consuming a massive protein dose immediately after training, individuals can maximally stimulate muscle protein synthesis, effectively building muscle. This concentrated protein intake then allows them to maintain a caloric deficit for the remainder of the day without compromising muscle growth, thereby facilitating fat loss. The speaker personally consumes 75-110 grams of protein post-workout, combining a shake with lean meats like beef or chicken breast.

Personal experience

I've been having 75 to 110 grams of protein after my workout. And now I'm satiated throughout the rest of the day. It's easier for me to stay lean.

You're capitalizing on this muscle building time with the most amount of protein possible. And then you're able to be in a deficit for the rest of the day or for hours afterwards, allowing you to burn fat.

Also said
“This study out of cell reports demonstrated they went up to 100 g and they found that even 100 grams of protein was still getting absorbed and utilized 100 grams post-workout.”— Provides the scientific basis for the high protein intake recommendation.

focus on rating of perceived exertion (RPE)

WhatDuring workouts, prioritize your subjective rating of perceived exertion (RPE) on a scale of 1-10, aiming for a 7 or 8, rather than strictly adhering to specific weight numbers.
For whomAnyone, especially those in a caloric deficit or undergoing miniature bulks and cuts, where strength might fluctuate.
WhyCaloric deficits can lead to fluctuations in strength. Focusing on RPE ensures consistent effort and stimulus for muscle growth, preventing frustration from variable strength levels and maintaining sanity during body recomposition.

When attempting to lose fat and build muscle simultaneously, especially if implementing strategies like miniature bulks and cuts or being in a caloric deficit, strength levels can fluctuate daily. If one rigidly adheres to specific weight numbers in their logbook, these fluctuations can be demotivating and lead to overtraining or undertraining. The speaker advises focusing instead on the Rating of Perceived Exertion (RPE). This involves assessing how hard an exercise feels on a scale of 1 to 10, with a target of 7 or 8 for most sets. This ensures that the muscle receives adequate stimulus regardless of the absolute weight lifted. For example, a 7 or 8 RPE might mean 225 lbs on bench press one day and 185 lbs another, but the effort and muscle stimulus remain consistent. This approach helps maintain psychological well-being and consistent progress.

Focus on your rating of perceived exertion instead of your actual intensity. Okay? Don't focus so much on the numbers because what's going to happen is you will sometimes be in a deficit and that will sometimes mean that you're weaker.

Also said
“Always focus on your rating of perceived exertion. Give yourself a scale of 1 to 10 and generally speaking try to push for a seven or an eight on your workouts.”— Provides specific guidance on how to apply RPE.
“My point in saying this is that the numbers themselves will fluctuate, but one thing that should not is your rating of perceived exertion. This will help keep your sanity as you overcome these peaks and valleys of your miniature bulks and cuts.”— Highlights the psychological benefit and consistency RPE provides amidst fluctuating strength.

blood flow restriction (BFR) training

WhatUtilize specialized blood flow restriction cuffs (not cheap bands) during training to achieve significant metabolic stress and muscle growth with lower loads and less overall body stress.
For whomIntermediate to advanced lifters looking to build muscle and lose fat simultaneously, especially those who want to incorporate more cardio without overtraining.
WhyBFR training allows for high metabolic effect and muscle signaling with reduced mechanical stress, enabling more training volume (e.g., adding cardio) without overtraining, which is ideal for body recomposition.

Blood Flow Restriction (BFR) training involves applying specialized cuffs to the limbs to restrict venous blood flow while maintaining arterial flow during exercise. This creates a hypoxic environment and accumulates metabolites, sending strong signals for muscle growth, similar to heavy lifting, but with much lighter weights. The key benefit is achieving a significant metabolic stimulus and muscle hypertrophy with less overall stress on the joints and central nervous system. This is particularly advantageous for individuals aiming for body recomposition, as it allows them to increase their total training volume – for instance, by adding cardio in the morning – without risking overtraining. The speaker emphasizes using proper, calibrated BFR devices like those from Smart Tools, Bestrong, or Deli units, rather than generic Amazon bands, as the precise pressure is crucial for safety and effectiveness. While the equipment can be an investment, the speaker deems it worthwhile for its benefits in optimizing the volume-to-recovery ratio.

What this does is it allows you to train your muscles at a lower intensity, lower load, but allows you to still get the same metabolic or more metabolic effect by trapping some of the blood flow, trapping some of the blood flow, allowing for more of the metabolites that occur when you train hard to send signals to the brain.

Also said
“This means that you can have the time and the bandwidth and the energy to do a little bit of cardio in the morning and still be able to do your resistance training via BFR training without overtraining.”— Explains how BFR allows for increased overall training volume without overtraining.
“Not cheap Amazon bands where you put them around your arms and legs. Look up some of my videos on blood flow restriction training. Smart Tools. Uh, another one called Bestrong. There's the Deli units.”— Stresses the importance of using proper, high-quality BFR equipment.

What's new

Personal practice updates, fresh positions, predictions

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revisiting protein intake limits

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New literature suggests the body can absorb significantly more protein in one sitting than previously thought, potentially up to 100 grams or more post-workout.

Why this matters: This challenges the long-held belief that only 30-40 grams of protein can be effectively utilized per meal, opening up new strategies for muscle building and fat loss.

Background

Historically, it was commonly believed that the body could only effectively absorb and utilize around 30-40 grams of protein in a single sitting for muscle protein synthesis. Any excess was thought to be wasted or converted to fat.

Recent research, specifically a study published in Cell Reports, indicates that the human body can absorb and utilize up to 100 grams of protein, or potentially even more, in a single post-workout window. This finding is particularly beneficial for individuals aiming to lose fat and build muscle simultaneously. By consuming a large amount of protein immediately after a workout, one can maximize muscle protein synthesis during this critical anabolic window. This strategy then allows for a caloric deficit for the remainder of the day, facilitating fat burning without compromising muscle growth. The speaker personally applies this by combining a shake with lean beef or chicken breast post-workout, consuming 75-110 grams of protein.

Personal experience

I used to just have a shake. Now I'm like, you know what? I'm going to have some lean beef. I'm going to have a shake. I might even have some chicken breast, too. I've been having 75 to 110 grams of protein after my workout.

This study out of cell reports demonstrated they went up to 100 g and they found that even 100 grams of protein was still getting absorbed and utilized 100 grams post-workout.

Also said
“Some parts of the study even allude to the fact that there may not be an upper limit. You might even be able to go above 100 grams of protein.”— Highlights the potential for even higher protein intake than 100g, further challenging previous assumptions.

energy flux for metabolism

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Instead of restricting both calories and training, it's more effective to increase both physical activity and caloric intake slightly to maintain a high metabolic rate, a concept known as 'energy flux'.

Why this matters: This counterintuitive approach suggests that a higher overall energy turnover (more movement, more food) is better for body composition than a restrictive, low-energy approach, which can lead to a suppressed metabolism.

The concept of 'energy flux' emphasizes that maintaining a high metabolic rate is crucial for simultaneously building muscle and burning fat. Rather than reducing both training intensity and caloric intake, which can lead to a sluggish metabolism and make body recomposition difficult, the speaker advocates for increasing both. This means working harder and moving more, while also eating a bit more. The goal is to burn 3,000 calories and eat 3,000 calories, for example, instead of burning 2,000 and eating 2,000. This keeps the body's energy systems revving, promoting muscle growth and fat burning. The speaker notes that this is a scientifically supported concept, not 'bro science', and has been discussed with experts like Alan Aragon and Tommy Wood.

I would much rather see you burn 3,000 calories per day and eat 3,000 calories per day than burn 2,000 calories per day and eat 2,000 calories per day. The point is move more and eat a smidge more.

Also said
“It keeps your metabolism revving hot through something called energy flux. This is a very real thing. It's not made up bro science.”— Emphasizes the scientific validity of the energy flux concept.

miniature bulks and cuts

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Instead of long-term bulking or cutting phases, manipulate daily caloric intake to create mini-deficits and mini-surpluses throughout the week, averaging out to desired weekly calorie targets.

Why this matters: This approach allows for simultaneous fat loss and muscle gain by leveraging daily metabolic flexibility, avoiding the psychological and physiological challenges of extended, rigid phases.

Traditional bodybuilding often involves distinct, extended bulking and cutting phases. However, for individuals aiming to lose fat and build muscle concurrently, especially those who are 'skinny fat,' the speaker proposes a more dynamic approach: miniature bulks and cuts within a week. This involves varying daily caloric intake significantly – for example, eating 1,000 calories one day and 3,000 the next – while ensuring the total weekly calorie intake aligns with overall goals. This method trains the body to be metabolically flexible, allowing it to adapt to both deficit and surplus states more readily. It provides the benefits of both fat loss on deficit days and muscle building on surplus days, without the commitment to a rigid, long-term phase, which can be demotivating.

You can actually do both at the same time, but you need to sort of allocate your thoughts. Rather than trying to eat x amount of calories in one day, try to eat x amount of calories over the course of a week.

Also said
“So you allow yourself to be in a deficit some days and essentially be in a surplus the other days. So then you're getting the maximum effect of fat loss and muscle building.”— Explains the dual benefit of this flexible caloric approach.

tapering calories throughout the day

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Consume the majority of calories, especially protein, earlier in the day and gradually reduce intake as the day progresses, with the smallest meal in the evening.

Why this matters: This strategy improves dietary control, satiety, and sleep quality, which in turn helps manage cortisol levels and reduce fat storage, particularly visceral fat.

Tapering calories throughout the day, by consuming a larger breakfast and progressively smaller meals, offers two main benefits. Firstly, it significantly enhances dietary control and satiety. The speaker notes that when he adopted this pattern, he felt more in control of his eating and was less prone to overeating in the evening due to extreme hunger. Conversely, when he ate less earlier, he would 'blow it all' at night. Secondly, this eating pattern positively impacts sleep quality. Poor sleep is linked to elevated cortisol levels, which the speaker monitors personally. High cortisol is a clear indicator of increased fat storage, especially visceral fat around the midsection. By improving sleep through earlier, heavier meals, cortisol levels can be better managed, thereby aiding fat loss and preventing the accumulation of stubborn belly fat. Protein intake should remain high throughout the day, even with tapering calories.

Personal experience

When I started eating larger breakfasts and tapering as the day went on, for the exception when I'm fasting, of course, everything fell into place. I had more overall control. I was satiated and I was able to choose the foods I needed to eat throughout the day. When that was inverse, I would go to town in the evening and blow it all.

Number six, taper your calories down as the day goes on. This is for two very important reasons. Number one, it allows you to maintain immense control over your diet.

Also said
“One of the things that I've noticed is that if my sleep is poor, my cortisol levels, yes, I test them, are skyhigh. And a mice's cortisol levels are high. This is a very clear indicator that it's easier to store fat, particularly in the midsection.”— Explains the physiological link between sleep, cortisol, and fat storage, justifying the calorie tapering strategy.

don't snack, consolidate meals

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Avoid snacking and consolidate meals to allow the body sufficient 'rest and digest' periods, which is crucial for gut health and enables the body to tap into stored fuel between meals.

Why this matters: This practice supports gut motility and health, and promotes fat burning by creating longer intervals without food, aligning with the body's natural fuel utilization processes.

Snacking, while contributing to overall caloric intake, also prevents the body from having adequate 'rest and digest' periods. Experts in gut motility and health emphasize the importance of these breaks for optimal digestive function. By consolidating meals and avoiding snacks, the body's gut health is supported. Furthermore, these longer intervals between meals allow the body to more effectively switch to utilizing stored fat for energy. The speaker notes that with the new understanding of high protein absorption per meal, it's easier to consume sufficient protein in fewer, larger meals, making this strategy more feasible. He personally sometimes eats only one or two meals a day, often incorporating fasting, and finds it liberating to not worry about constant eating.

Personal experience

I also know that in between my meals is when my body can tap into stored fuel better. So I don't snack that much. I have consolidated meals and I get my calories and I get my nutrition in those consolidated meals. Sometimes, my friends, it's one meal. Sometimes it's two meals because I do sometimes fast.

Consolidate your meals. It's not about the calories for me. I mean, it is. Snacking is going to load up on calories, but in this particular case, I don't like the body not having a break from food.

Also said
“Most of the experts out there, at least in the world of gut motility, gut health, tell us that having a rest and digest period between meals is critical for our gut health.”— Provides the scientific rationale for avoiding snacking related to gut health.
“But now that I know based upon the literature that I can get a lot of protein in one sitting, I'm not tripping anymore. I don't mind sitting down and having 100 grams of protein and not worrying about another meal until 5:00 p.m.”— Connects the new understanding of protein absorption to the feasibility and benefits of meal consolidation.

Recommendations

Products, supplements, and tools mentioned in the episode

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Creatine

Supplement

A foundational supplement for energy and strength in the gym, with potential anti-inflammatory and glucose management benefits.

Creatine, obviously, a very important thing. I wouldn't recommend going more than like five grams. If you're really someone that is worried about losing fat, okay? Simply because the water retention that you'll get might mess with your head.

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Yohimbine / Rauwolscine

Supplement

Appetite suppressants that offer a different stimulatory effect than caffeine.

vs alternatives

Unlike caffeine, they don't produce the same intense stimulatory effect, potentially suitable for those sensitive to caffeine.

And the nice thing about yohiman railulsine is you don't get the same intense stimulatory effect you might get from caffeine.

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Essential Amino Acids (EAAs)

Supplement

Useful for maintaining muscle mass when in a caloric deficit.

Thirdly, essential amino acids. These are great to sip on throughout the day if you're in a caloric deficit and keeping those leucine levels high so you do not start tapping into that muscle.

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Whey Protein Isolate / Concentrate

Supplement

A powerful supplement for overall protein synthesis.

Personal experience

I used to just be a fan of isolate. Now I'm a fan of concentrate as well.

Number four, one I already talked about, whey protein isolate or whey protein concentrate. I used to just be a fan of isolate. Now I'm a fan of concentrate as well.

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Thi Health Multivitamin

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A multi-stage multivitamin broken into AM and PM stacks, using micro-encapsulation beads for delayed absorption of competing compounds.

DisclosureThe speaker provides a link for a special discount, implying an affiliate relationship.

The speaker highlights the importance of micronutrient sufficiency, noting that beef is a comprehensive food but micronutrient deficiencies are common. He recommends Thi Health as a unique, scientifically advanced multivitamin. Its key feature is a multi-stage delivery system, separating nutrients into AM and PM stacks and utilizing micro-encapsulation beads. This technology ensures that antagonistic nutrients, like magnesium and calcium, are absorbed at different times or rates, preventing competition and maximizing bioavailability. This thoughtful design aims to optimize nutrient uptake according to chronobiology and avoid common issues with traditional multivitamins where competing compounds are absorbed simultaneously.

This is the first multi-stage multivitamin that I've ever seen. It's broken into an AM stack and a PM stack and it uses these micro encapsulation beads so that you actually have delayed absorption of certain compounds that shouldn't be consumed with other compounds.

Also said
“So you're going to have multiple stages of delivery and potential absorption, so they're not competing with each other.”— Explains the core mechanism of the multivitamin's design.
“So it's broken down into again like an AM and PM option, too. So you're getting the things at the right chronobiology, the right time of day.”— Highlights the chronobiological aspect of the supplement.
Find Thi

Notable quotes

Lines worth pulling out — contrarian, specific, or perfectly phrased

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If I had to pick one or if I had to recommend one, I would recommend that you lose the fat first for a couple of simple reasons.
This is a key, actionable recommendation for individuals who are 'skinny fat', providing a clear starting point.
The most important thing I want you to take away from this particular rule is load up on the protein.
Emphasizes the critical importance of high protein intake, a recurring theme and a cornerstone of the advice.
It keeps your metabolism revving hot through something called energy flux. This is a very real thing. It's not made up bro science.
Highlights a scientifically backed concept ('energy flux') that challenges common restrictive dieting approaches, distinguishing it from anecdotal advice.
My point in saying this is that the numbers themselves will fluctuate, but one thing that should not is your rating of perceived exertion. This will help keep your sanity as you overcome these peaks and valleys of your miniature bulks and cuts.
Offers practical, psychological advice for maintaining consistency and mental well-being during a challenging body recomposition process.
I don't like the body not having a break from food. Most of the experts out there, at least in the world of gut motility, gut health, tell us that having a rest and digest period between meals is critical for our gut health.
Provides a clear, science-backed rationale for avoiding snacking, linking it to gut health and overall well-being.
This means that you can have the time and the bandwidth and the energy to do a little bit of cardio in the morning and still be able to do your resistance training via BFR training without overtraining.
Explains a significant benefit of BFR training: enabling increased overall training volume (cardio + resistance) without overtraining, which is crucial for body recomposition.

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