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How One Director Transformed School Food for Kids' Health
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How One Director Transformed School Food for Kids' Health

Casey Means
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TL;DR

The four things you'd lose by not watching

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TL;DR

The four things you'd lose by not watching

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Dr. Rosalind Schapit, director of Pathways Tempe preschool, overhauled the school's snack program from processed foods (goldfish, graham crackers, Cheez-Its) to organic whole foods like quinoa, raw vegetables, Greek yogurt, and nuts, all sourced affordably from Costco.

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The switch was cheaper than the previous junk-food menu, required no additional staff time or storage, and kids adapted quickly—quinoa became a favorite after adding a little salt.

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Parents responded positively, with some now sending healthier lunches and no longer feeling the need to provide separate snacks; the snack calendar influenced home habits.

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Dr. Ros credits Casey Means' book 'Good Energy' and social media for the inspiration, and she encourages other schools to make similar changes, noting that DHS regulations are broad enough to allow healthy choices.

Protocols

Concrete recipes — what, when, how much, and why

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Overhaul school snack program to whole foods

WhatGradually replace all processed snacks with organic whole foods by using up existing junk food, sourcing from Costco, adding a freezer, and cooking simple items like quinoa on-site.
WhenOver a few months, starting immediately after deciding to change.
DoseOngoing; initial transition took a few months to exhaust old inventory and introduce new items.
For whomSchool directors, administrators, or teachers responsible for snack or meal programs in early childhood or elementary settings.
WhyTo improve children's health, create good energy, and establish lifelong healthy eating habits, inspired by the book 'Good Energy' and the recognition that moderation of junk food is not acceptable.
CaveatsRequires a director willing to make unilateral decisions without initial parent consultation; may need a small stove or cooking capability; children may need time to adapt to new tastes.

Dr. Ros started by reading 'Good Energy' and feeling ashamed of the existing menu. She did not consult parents beforehand, believing the change was necessary for the children. The first step was to use up the large stock of processed snacks (goldfish, Cheez-Its, graham crackers) already purchased from Costco. Then she bought a freezer and began ordering organic fruits, vegetables, quinoa, nuts, and plain Greek yogurt from Costco, supplementing with grocery store trips for items not available in bulk. She added a small stove to cook quinoa and steam vegetables. The menu now includes raw organic cauliflower, broccoli, cucumbers, grape tomatoes, peas, carrots, and quinoa. She involved teachers and children in gathering feedback and ideas, and she observes lunchboxes to inspire new snack items. The process was 'a slow process' but 'wasn't hard,' and she emphasizes that 'anybody can do it.'

Mechanism

By removing hyper-palatable, ultra-processed foods that are engineered to be addictive, children's palates reset and they become more open to whole foods. Peer modeling in a group setting encourages acceptance. The gradual introduction prevents resistance and allows the school to use up existing inventory without waste.

Personal experience

Dr. Ros said, 'I was ashamed of myself and I'm like I need to make some changes... we started the changes.' She described the practical steps: 'first of all we had so much junk here like we had so many boxes from ordering from Costco of cheit and goldfish... we got through that and then bought all new.'

it was a slow process so it wasn't like we just jumped right into everything first of all we had so much junk here

Also said
“I bought a freezer um I mean it was an easy process it wasn't hard it just took time to make sure that we were doing everything right”— Emphasizes the ease and the practical step of adding freezer storage.
“I think anybody can do it and and anybody is welcome to to see our menu”— Encourages replication and transparency.

Introduce quinoa to children

WhatServe plain cooked quinoa with a small amount of added salt; offer it repeatedly and let peer influence work.
WhenAt snack time, after children have had exposure to other whole foods.
DoseServe as a snack component; continue offering even if initially rejected.
For whomChildren in preschool or early elementary settings, especially those accustomed to processed snacks.
WhyQuinoa is a nutrient-dense whole grain that children can learn to love with a simple flavor enhancement, replacing less nutritious grain options like graham crackers.
CaveatsInitial rejection is likely; salt is key to palatability; ensure no allergies to quinoa.

When Dr. Ros first introduced quinoa, the children did not like it. She added salt, and the response transformed dramatically: they now 'can't get enough of it' and ask for more. The school cooks quinoa on a small stove and serves it warm. The success with quinoa encouraged her to try other new foods like grape tomatoes and nuts. She notes that children will eat things at school that they refuse at home, likely due to social modeling and the absence of alternative junk options. This protocol demonstrates that a simple, low-cost tweak can turn a rejected health food into a favorite.

Mechanism

Salt enhances the natural flavor of quinoa, making it more palatable to young taste buds accustomed to salted processed foods. Repeated exposure in a positive social setting reduces neophobia (fear of new foods) and builds acceptance. Peer modeling—seeing other children eat and enjoy it—further encourages trying and liking the food.

Personal experience

Dr. Ros observed the shift: 'they did not like quinoa at first but we added salt to it and they can't get enough of it they love it we can't make enough of it they want more and more.'

they did not like quinoa at first but we added salt to it and they can't get enough of it they love it we can't make enough of it they want more and more

Also said
“we added quoa so how do we make quinoa so just you know just you know like your home you're you're putting time you know into it to make sure that it's something that that is good for them”— Shows the homemade, intentional approach.

Source organic whole foods affordably from Costco

WhatPurchase bulk organic produce (cauliflower, broccoli, cucumbers, tomatoes), quinoa, nuts, and plain Greek yogurt from Costco, supplementing with grocery stores for items not available there.
WhenWeekly or as needed for snack preparation.
DoseOngoing procurement.
For whomSchools or childcare centers with access to a Costco membership and storage (freezer).
WhyCostco offers large quantities of organic items at lower prices than processed snacks, making the switch budget-neutral or cheaper.
CaveatsRequires a membership; some items may still need to be sourced elsewhere; storage space for bulk items is needed but may actually decrease compared to processed food boxes.

Dr. Ros was surprised to find that buying organic from Costco was cheaper than the previous junk food. She noted that the processed snacks themselves were expensive, and the switch freed up storage space. She still orders most items from Costco but occasionally goes to the grocery store for specific things. The availability of big bags of raw organic cauliflower and other produce made the transition seamless. This protocol directly addresses the budget concern that often prevents schools from improving food quality.

Personal experience

Dr. Ros said, 'most of it is they have big bags of raw organic cauliflower so did you have to invest in any additional like serving gear... not at all.' She also stated, 'it is actually cheaper it's not more expensive.'

most of it is they have big bags of raw organic cauliflower

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“it is actually cheaper it's not more expensive”— Core cost insight.

Engage parents by sharing snack calendar and observing lunchboxes

WhatPost a monthly snack calendar for parents; observe what children bring from home to inspire new snack ideas and encourage healthier home habits.
WhenAt the start of each month and daily during lunch.
DoseOngoing communication.
For whomSchool directors and teachers.
WhyTransparency builds trust and influences parents to replicate healthy choices at home; lunchbox observations provide real-time feedback on children's preferences.
CaveatsRequires consistent documentation and openness to parent feedback; may take time to see changes in home habits.

I'm observing their lunches that they're bringing in so so I am seeing you know more cucumbers here and there so a few things because they see our snack calendar

Comply with DHS meal pattern using whole foods

WhatMeet state childcare food program requirements by selecting two of four categories (milk, fruit/vegetable, grain, meat/meat alternate) using items like milk, raw vegetables, quinoa (grain), and yogurt (meat alternate).
WhenAt each snack or meal service.
DosePer meal/snack as required.
For whomChildcare centers and preschools subject to DHS meal pattern regulations.
WhyDHS regulations do not mandate processed foods; whole foods easily satisfy the categories, allowing schools to serve healthier options without violating rules.
CaveatsMust ensure proper portion sizes and variety; some categories like 'grain' are broad, so intentional choices are needed to avoid defaulting to processed grains.

we have to make sure we're serving mil um a milk um a vegetable or a fruit a grain and or it's it's a meat so um we pick from those two two from those areas um it did not affect that at all

What's new

Personal practice updates, fresh positions, predictions

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School snack overhaul can be cheaper than processed foods

Replacing processed snacks with organic whole foods from Costco reduced the school's food budget, contrary to the common belief that healthy food is more expensive.

Why this matters: Challenges the widespread assumption that cost is a barrier to serving nutritious food in schools.

Background

Many schools rely on cheap, ultra-processed snacks because they are perceived as budget-friendly. Dr. Ros initially stocked goldfish, graham crackers, and Cheez-Its, assuming they were the economical choice.

Dr. Ros was surprised to find that buying organic fruits, vegetables, quinoa, and nuts from Costco was actually less expensive than the previous junk food. She noted that the processed snacks themselves were costly, and she no longer needed as much storage space for boxes. The budget did not increase, and she did not have to charge parents more. This finding directly contradicts the narrative that healthy school food is financially out of reach. She emphasized that the junk food 'is what costs so much money,' and the switch was 'a lot easier than I thought it would be.'

Personal experience

Dr. Ros personally managed the purchasing and was shocked by the cost comparison. She said, 'I was surprised with the cost... I was surprised I don't need so much storage for things for boxes all these boxes.'

it is actually cheaper it's not more expensive

Also said
“all the other the the junk food is what costs so much money”— Reinforces that the processed options were the expensive ones.
“I don't need so much storage for things for boxes all these boxes”— Highlights an additional logistical benefit.

Kids will eat quinoa and other whole foods with simple tweaks

Children initially rejected quinoa but embraced it after salt was added; repeated exposure and peer modeling led to enthusiastic acceptance of new healthy foods.

Why this matters: Counters the fear that kids will refuse anything but familiar processed snacks, showing that palatability adjustments and social context can drive adoption.

Background

Many parents and schools avoid introducing foods like quinoa because they assume children won't eat them. Dr. Ros's previous menu relied on highly palatable, addictive processed snacks.

When quinoa was first served, the children did not like it. Dr. Ros added salt, and the response transformed: 'they can't get enough of it they love it we can't make enough of it they want more and more.' She also observed that children began eating foods at school that they wouldn't touch at home, such as green beans, and that seeing peers eat encouraged picky eaters. The school now serves quinoa regularly, cooked on a small stove, and plans to introduce grape tomatoes and nuts. This demonstrates that with minor flavor adjustments and a supportive environment, whole foods can become favorites.

Personal experience

Dr. Ros witnessed the shift firsthand: 'they did not like quinoa at first but we added salt to it and they can't get enough of it.' She also noted parents reporting surprise that their children ate vegetables at school.

they did not like quinoa at first but we added salt to it and they can't get enough of it they love it we can't make enough of it they want more and more

Also said
“parents will be like I I didn't know that you you know they like I don't know you ate green beans”— Shows the disconnect between home and school eating habits.
“we're gonna try Tomatoes the grape tomatoes we added those on there and some of the nuts”— Indicates ongoing experimentation and expansion of the menu.

Parents adopt healthier habits when school food improves

After the snack overhaul, parents began sending healthier lunches and stopped providing separate snacks, influenced by the school's menu and their children's acceptance of new foods.

Why this matters: Suggests that school food changes can ripple into homes, amplifying the health impact beyond the classroom.

Background

Previously, some parents sent snacks from home due to concerns about gluten, allergens, or processed ingredients. Dr. Ros hoped the school's changes would influence families.

Dr. Ros observed that parents no longer felt the need to send separate snacks because the school's offerings were now free of ultra-processed ingredients. She noticed more cucumbers and other healthy items in lunchboxes after parents saw the snack calendar. Parents expressed appreciation during pick-up, and some began buying the same foods for home. While it's still early, she believes the visibility of the menu and children's enthusiasm are driving this shift. She noted, 'they don't feel like they have to do that anymore because of you know gluten and all you know other things that parent kids might be allergic to.'

Personal experience

Dr. Ros said, 'I'm observing their lunches that they're bringing in so so I am seeing you know more cucumbers here and there so a few things because they see our snack calendar.'

they don't feel like they have to do that anymore because of you know gluten and all you know other things that parent kids might be allergic to

Also said
“they love it I yeah when they you know they're they're picking them up you know um they love it they'll make comments about how much you know they they love the changes”— Confirms direct positive feedback from parents.

DHS meal pattern regulations are broad enough to accommodate healthy whole foods

State childcare regulations require picking two from four categories (milk, fruit/vegetable, grain, meat/meat alternate), and whole foods like quinoa, raw vegetables, and yogurt easily fit without violating rules.

Why this matters: Addresses a common administrative concern that regulations mandate processed or specific foods, when in fact they allow flexibility.

Background

Many school administrators fear that switching to whole foods might violate meal pattern requirements. Dr. Ros previously used graham crackers and apples to meet the grain and fruit categories.

we have to make sure we're serving mil um a milk um a vegetable or a fruit a grain and or it's it's a meat so um we pick from those two two from those areas um it did not affect that at all

Transitioning to whole-food snacks does not require more staff time or storage

Preparing quinoa and cutting vegetables adds only about 10 minutes, and the school actually reduced storage needs by eliminating bulky processed food boxes.

Why this matters: Dispels the myth that healthy food preparation is labor-intensive and logistically burdensome for schools.

Background

Schools often cite time and storage constraints as barriers to fresh food. Dr. Ros initially had many boxes of processed snacks from Costco.

it just takes maybe maybe 10 minutes longer to cut cucumbers you know but otherwise I wouldn't say it's it's that big of a deal

Also said
“I don't need so much storage for things for boxes all these boxes”— Shows storage became easier.

Recommendations

Products, supplements, and tools mentioned in the episode

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Costco

Service

Dr. Ros sources the majority of the school's organic whole foods from Costco, including big bags of raw organic cauliflower, broccoli, quinoa, nuts, and Greek yogurt. She finds it cheaper than buying processed snacks and it reduces storage needs.

Costco's bulk organic options made the transition financially viable and logistically simple. Dr. Ros was surprised that the overall food budget did not increase and that she no longer needed as much storage space for boxes of processed snacks. She still supplements with grocery store trips for items not available at Costco, but it remains her primary supplier. This recommendation is practical for any school with a membership and freezer space.

vs alternatives

Compared to previous ordering of processed snacks from Costco (goldfish, Cheez-Its), the organic whole foods were less expensive and required less storage.

Personal experience

Dr. Ros said, 'most of it is they have big bags of raw organic cauliflower' and 'it is actually cheaper it's not more expensive.'

most of it is they have big bags of raw organic cauliflower

Also said
“it is actually cheaper it's not more expensive”— Reinforces the cost advantage.
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Freezer

Tool

Dr. Ros purchased a freezer to store bulk organic foods after switching to whole-food snacks, enabling her to buy in larger quantities and reduce trips.

Personal experience

She mentioned, 'I bought a freezer' as part of the new setup.

I bought a freezer

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Add salt to quinoa to increase child acceptance

Practice

When children initially rejected plain quinoa, Dr. Ros added salt, which transformed it into a favorite food they now request constantly.

Personal experience

She observed the dramatic shift: 'they did not like quinoa at first but we added salt to it and they can't get enough of it.'

we added salt to it and they can't get enough of it

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Involve teachers and children in menu planning

Practice

Dr. Ros collaborates with teachers for information and talks to children to learn what they like, using their feedback and lunchbox observations to adjust the snack menu.

Personal experience

She said, 'I collaborate I talk to the teachers here so I I I find out from them a lot of information um and it's important to talk to the kids and get those you know see what they like.'

it's important to talk to the kids and get those you know see what they like

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Good Energy by Casey Means

Book Sponsored · disclosed

Dr. Ros read the book a few months before the interview and it prompted her to feel ashamed of the existing menu and make immediate changes. She used the food ideas in the back of the book and trusted its guidance over online sources.

DisclosureThe book is written by the host, Casey Means. Dr. Ros received a copy from Casey Means' brother and credits it as the primary inspiration for her school's food overhaul.

Dr. Ros emphasizes that the book gave her both the motivation and practical food suggestions. She said, 'I trust your book... there's a lot of different ideas in there that I used.' She recommends it to other school directors and parents as a reliable resource for understanding the importance of whole foods and how to implement them. The book's message that 'moderation is not okay' and that everything children eat should be healthy was a pivotal mindset shift for her.

vs alternatives

She contrasts the book with online information, which she finds inconsistent: 'I don't really trust everything I read I wouldn't say going online I I feel like I go online I see something different I trust your book.'

Personal experience

Dr. Ros stated, 'I received a book um from your brother Casey means and I've seen you on social media so I received the book good energy um read the book and wow I was ashamed of myself.'

I trust your book

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“I got this book on good energy”— Direct mention of the resource.
“this book I would recommend”— Explicit recommendation.
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Notable quotes

Lines worth pulling out — contrarian, specific, or perfectly phrased

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moderation is not okay we need to make sure that what everything that they're eating is healthy
A stark departure from the common 'everything in moderation' mantra, reflecting a zero-tolerance stance on junk food for young children.
it is actually cheaper it's not more expensive
Directly counters the most cited barrier to healthy school food—cost—with personal evidence.
they did not like quinoa at first but we added salt to it and they can't get enough of it they love it we can't make enough of it they want more and more
A vivid, hopeful example of how a tiny tweak can turn a rejected health food into a kid favorite.
I was ashamed of myself
Raw honesty about the moment of realization that the status quo was harming children, humanizing the change process.
I think anybody can do it
An empowering, replicable call to action for other school leaders.
the junk food is what costs so much money
Flips the script on the affordability argument, placing the financial burden on processed foods.

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Topics covered

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